Especially when you use smart weapons to try to minimize it from happening as collatoral damage (though that doesn't change the awefulness when a school seems to have wrongly been targeted, smart weapons are only as good as their target information).
It's much cheaper to just gun down 30,000 protestors in the street protesting that they don't want to be raped by Islamic religious morality police if they don't wear hats. Or to just fire missiles randomly at civilian areas such as the one that resulted in 11 year old Nesia Karadi dying today from the sever wounds she sustained from Iran's missiles fired into Israeli civilian areas.
The regime admits 3,000. According to human rights group tracking numbers the regime reports about 10% of it's political executions, so following that 30,000 would be about right.
There were lots of morgue videos with mass deaths. There were videos of large crowds fleeing as gunshots are fired. There were videos of men on rooftops firing into crowds. What exact videos are you looing for? There are reports by family of doctors/nurses them being taking away. Of them being killed.
Destroying 1 building is much better than the random cluster bomb dispersal over whole neighborhoods that Iran is doing.
Your response of just using an ad hominem calling me gullible and providing zero information to back up the name calling up is not in line with the HN community guidelines though I understand the guidelines deliberately aren't enforced in the normal way and exceptions are made for one side's narrative of the ongoing mideast crisis.
The regime reports that they killed 3000 people. That police fired on people is not in dispute by either side (other than apparently you). Don't know what else to tell you. Bots sides weren't in agreement in your desperate equivalating with the not equivalent WMD thing. Iran traditionally only confirms 10% of political executions it commits. 30,000 fits with the historical numbers around Iranian murders of their citizens.
Doctors normally take Xrays of patients as part of the medical process. They don't normally take photographs. Not sure why you don't trust xrays? Are you anti-modern medicine/tech as well as anti-secular/pro-Islamic government?
Your requirement for videos out of a despotic regime that has shut the internet down shows you don't really care about the reality.
Keep trying to justify religious murder by an Islamic Republic of people who just want to be free of the rule of Islam and be secular. The Iranian government says they killed 3000 people. That this occurred isn't in dispute.
We don't even know if that number is correct (the 30k protesters, especially given the heavy mossad invovlement), but let's pretend to care about human life and kill even more. Didn't trump threaten to wipe out an entire civilization?
The regime reported 3000. According to human rights agencies Iran normally reports 10% of their political executions so going by history (and ignoring the people stating 30,000 is correct), extrapolating from regime numbers and human rights groups analysis 30,000 would match historical numbers.
I don't know what your mossad comment has to do with anything. Seems like 'the Gaza Health Ministry is Hamas' level hand waiving away of senseless amounts of civilian death.
I'm sorry but are you equating Trump hyperbole resulting in nothing as equal to the actual murder of 3000-30000 civilian protestors who just didn't want a government that raped/murdered people for choosing not to follow a religion's morality laws?
The Islamic Republic of Iran has called for and acted towards/funded the destruction of the American people, my civilization, my family, for the last 40+ years, held mass protests of hate towards us continually. Boo hoo that rhetoric towards them from my side came close to the very much not rhetoric but moral/religious position they have vocally held, marched in support of, taught their children in school for 40+ years. The Islamic Republic of Iran has a government built billboard in their capital with a countdown to their desired destruction of another nation as well. Give me a break with the one sided moral outrage.
Iran/Iranians want me, my parents, my children dead. They have shouted this loudly for 40+ years. I grew up afraid of Islam, seeing the head of a religion and also leader of a nation that hated me calling for my and my families deaths. The head of a religion calling for the execution of people like Rushdie, simply for writing a book. I on the other hand just want Iranians to not be raped/murdered for their choice in hats. I have never seen/attended a rally that chanted 'death to Iran'. A huge part of my country's last election was talk on 'Americans don't want war with Iran'. Has ANY government approved Iranian moderate ran on 'we don't want death to America'?
You mean the chants they started saying after overturning the puppet regime US and UK installed through spying and meddling?
After they robbed them of their oil while they only wanted a deal the Saudi Arabia got but UK refused to give to Iran because UK was clinging to their imperialist influence?
The chant born after decades of oppression, spying, sanctions and assassinations?
Read a little history and you’ll understand better. It’s the UK who started the circle of problems and US expanded it.
You don’t need to attend the rally for your government to oppress another country, and you didn’t attend it because you weren’t the victim, Iran is.
And this comes from a person who has huge distain for governments not separate from religion.
Except that rape is not permitted by their religion's morality laws. This alone is sufficient to be extremely weary of what is reported by pro US/israel sources.
Iran has political discussion of if they need to rape women before they execute them, with the religious man that Iranians attribute that religious directive to having to make MULTIPLE public statements that he was not calling for women to be raped so that government officials would stop using him as justification to rape.
The founder of islam had multiple sex slaves taken from lands that he conquered by war. Excuse me if I think the religion isn't above rape. That would be like saying mormons don't take advantage of people in MLMs because their religion forbids them from taking advantage of people. Or anything about scientology's requirements of it's followers. It has zero weight. Actions do. The founder and most perfect man in islam raped women openly, was a rapist, his voice on the topic has zero weight to the contrary.
Where is this political discussion exactly? Citation required.
Sex slavery, the one you are thinking of, does not exist in Islam, and is prohibited. No such thing took place. Rape is very clearly prohibited in Islam.
Now I wonder more and more where you are getting your misinformation from.
Did it actually happen or was it failed Trump negotiating bluster?
My entire life Iran/Shia leaders have called for my and all my nations deaths and the destruction of my entire country/civilization. I remember being terrified as a kid seeing the news, seeing video of a whole nation chanting for me and my families death, for death to American civilization, tied with hostage taking, bombings, kidnapping, parading of missiles. 60 minutes used to have stories on Iran's hatred and desire for the American civilizations destruction all the time. It greatly shaped my view of Islam (though now I understand it was just Shia islam).
>could say the same thing about "Death to America." did it happen or is it just bluster?
Ding ding ding. Amen brother, you understand the point I was making. 'It didn't happen so that isn't what he called for, it was bluster' is a bullshit defense/justification for calling for the death of entire societies by those in power. Imagine waiving away what trump said, the calling for the death of a society, as harmless rhetoric or justifying his reason for doing so.
9/11 happened after my childhood and was not conducted by a supreme Islamic leader, why would it be relevant to what I wrote? The events I wrote about were all at the direction/teachings of some of the most supreme shia Islamic leaders, Bin Laden was a spoiled rich boy not a lifelong Islamic leader/teacher/researcher like Iran's mullahs. It's best to differentiate groups and not generalize about religions/people/groups down that path often lies justification for evil. If I see religious leaders/scholars/teachers it makes me wonder about the religion/church/sect/cult. If I see a school shooter, it makes me wonder at my nation's rotten core and how can I fix that, not the shooters motivation.
> Amen brother, you understand the point I was making
No, I took your comment literally..and even if it was sarcastic I agree with it. It's like in the Art of War. Those who are strong don't need to say anything, and those who are weak bluster. Trump found himself in a weak position but wanted to look strong. Same thing with the mullahs over the years. Predictably once they felt their military capabilities were strong enough, they mellowed their rhetoric:
It is also clear that “Death to America” does not mean death to the people of America. The people of America are like other peoples. It means death to American policies and to arrogance.
> 9/11 happened after my childhood and was not conducted by a supreme Islamic leader, why would it be relevant to what I wrote?
Sorry, I don't get your point. First, the whole world doesn't revolve around your childhood, and foreign policy is not based on your childhood. This is really getting tedious. Am I supposed to also only care about things that happened when I was a child? Ok, well as a french-iranian person in the US I received hate from actual people in real life, being called a terrorist, etc, and it only got worse when France rejected the premise of the Iraq war. Republicans started boycotting anything french, breaking wine bottles, etc. My dad's french-iranian restaurant had its windows broken when when this was happening. You don't hear me mentioning it in every comment. Did anything bad actually happen to you? For all I know you were a spoiled kid who watched too much TV and weren't brought up to question what you were told.
Second, are you actually saying that calls for destruction of the US from religious extremists are only concerning if the leader was not well off? When Khomeini didn't even grow up poor at all? It doesn't add up.
The reason it's relevant is because you implied that the primary threat is from Shia islam, even though the vast majority of and most damaging attacks against the US were not by Shias.
I haven't read the HN guidelines in a while looks like I do violate a couple, like calling out people for commenting before reading an article. That should be table stakes, I think. I also have a low tolerance for people seemingly playing dumb, and am guilty of snark for sure. I'm not really sure how to interpret the 'cross-examination style' thing in practice, but you're definitely not following this guideline:
Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize
It's much cheaper to just gun down 30,000 protestors in the street protesting that they don't want to be raped by Islamic religious morality police if they don't wear hats. Or to just fire missiles randomly at civilian areas such as the one that resulted in 11 year old Nesia Karadi dying today from the sever wounds she sustained from Iran's missiles fired into Israeli civilian areas.