[_DeadFred_]

The Islamic Republic of Iran has called for and acted towards/funded the destruction of the American people, my civilization, my family, for the last 40+ years, held mass protests of hate towards us continually. Boo hoo that rhetoric towards them from my side came close to the very much not rhetoric but moral/religious position they have vocally held, marched in support of, taught their children in school for 40+ years. The Islamic Republic of Iran has a government built billboard in their capital with a countdown to their desired destruction of another nation as well. Give me a break with the one sided moral outrage.

Iran/Iranians want me, my parents, my children dead. They have shouted this loudly for 40+ years. I grew up afraid of Islam, seeing the head of a religion and also leader of a nation that hated me calling for my and my families deaths. The head of a religion calling for the execution of people like Rushdie, simply for writing a book. I on the other hand just want Iranians to not be raped/murdered for their choice in hats. I have never seen/attended a rally that chanted 'death to Iran'. A huge part of my country's last election was talk on 'Americans don't want war with Iran'. Has ANY government approved Iranian moderate ran on 'we don't want death to America'?

[DrProtic]

You mean the chants they started saying after overturning the puppet regime US and UK installed through spying and meddling?

After they robbed them of their oil while they only wanted a deal the Saudi Arabia got but UK refused to give to Iran because UK was clinging to their imperialist influence?

The chant born after decades of oppression, spying, sanctions and assassinations?

Read a little history and you’ll understand better. It’s the UK who started the circle of problems and US expanded it.

You don’t need to attend the rally for your government to oppress another country, and you didn’t attend it because you weren’t the victim, Iran is.

And this comes from a person who has huge distain for governments not separate from religion.

[_DeadFred_]

You bring up destroying civilizations is bad, but it's ok for my son and daughter to die and their world destroyed because 1953? And somehow 10 year old me was wrong and needed to understand the historical reasons behind it and why the top religious leader was right calling for me to die and he was actually the victim?

Nah, fuck that nuanced chillness with the 40+ year desire for my (and now my childrens death). I get it, the world hates us and has been chill on Iran wanting our death since forever (not your problem). But 10 year old me was not in a death cult and really wouldn't have slept better knowing some things happened in the past so it's really not bad that a nation and entire sect of Islam's highest religious leaders want me/my family dead and my country/reality/world destroyed and I need to internalize I am the great satin and not let a religion's calling for my death impact my opinion of that religion.

These are the same islamic religious leaders that fatwah'd Rushdies death for writing a book they didn't like (I'm sure that was just words and he wasn't attacked). These are the islamic religious leaders who call for Israels death along with the USA, and funded the murder/rape/maiming/injuring of thousands of random civilians by their proxy on Oct 7th )who then broadcast the videos to the world they were so proud of what they did to random grandmas/families in their homes). So we all know it's not just words, they mean and want this and they directly fund/supervise proxies who happily/proudly murder random civilians in their homes (is that also ok because 'actually those murderers were the victims'?).

[za3faran]

You are repeating the same trope in another thread about Iran. No one wants your family dead. If you saw the latest lego movie that they released (about your tax money going to the corrupts), they clearly say they don't care about the American civilians, their issue is with the government which has been propagating wars for many many decades.

[_DeadFred_]

When Iranians chants 'death to America, death to Israel' do they also not want actual death to Israel? Would Iran stop chanting if Netanyahoo was replaced or if Israel was better with it's tax dollars?

Iran very much literally wants Israel (Iran's little satan) and Israeli's dead. It makes no sense that someone tat calls for the US (the great satan) would only literally mean what they are saying in the second half and as applied to the lesser evil/little satan.

I don't base my worldview and understanding on propaganda videos. Iran doesn't allow their own citizens onto the internet because Iran understands the internets propaganda value. I do base it on leaders/religious leaders words and teachings. Iran's beleive the USA is the great satan and needs to be destroyed. Like they also preached Rushdie should be murdered because he wrote a book they didn't like. Stop with the gasslighting 'Iran doesn't mean what they say, what they fund'.

Chanting “death to X” is not normal diplomatic speech. Iran has chosen (what some claim but I don't see it) ambiguous speech for 40+ years. They could have changed it to something more direct. They didn't for a reason. I can't even bring myself to type 'death to I__n' in return to highlight how charged that speech is. If I wrote that on an Iran thread, would you consider it just 'political messaging'?

In this thread and the other thread I was responding to similar "I’m sure destroying their civilization will help them a lot." comments referring to speach by trump. I highlighted Iran's words/position on the elimination of my society and it's very real impact on me. I kept on topic to the discussion, didn't just interject some sort of talking points/propaganda, and it is not a trope to reflect back the exact words that Iran proudly chants. But ironically it is a trope to interject 'trope' to try to devalue discussion you don't like.

[za3faran]

Chants against the government, as they themselves have made clear, not against the individuals. Chants vs. actual blood of millions of civilians and innocent women and children on the hands of the US and israel.

Trump said the quiet part out loud - what the US and israel have been doing for decades. There's no backing away from this. Yet some people are concerned about vague chants, unbelievable.

[_DeadFred_]

We have reached peak 'death to America' by top leaders/religious leaders = vague.

You are saying Iran does not want Israel gone? That 'death to Israel' does not mean the end to the existence of Israel?