[za3faran]

We don't even know if that number is correct (the 30k protesters, especially given the heavy mossad invovlement), but let's pretend to care about human life and kill even more. Didn't trump threaten to wipe out an entire civilization?

[_DeadFred_]

https://www.nytimes.com/video/opinion/100000010723018/iran-p...

Amnesty International https://amnesty.ca/urgent-actions/iran-thousands-of-protest-...

United Nations Report https://www.ohchr.org/en/statements-and-speeches/2026/03/sta...

From a less reputable source: https://www.newsnationnow.com/world/iranian-nurse-protesters...

The regime reported 3000. According to human rights agencies Iran normally reports 10% of their political executions so going by history (and ignoring the people stating 30,000 is correct), extrapolating from regime numbers and human rights groups analysis 30,000 would match historical numbers.

I don't know what your mossad comment has to do with anything. Seems like 'the Gaza Health Ministry is Hamas' level hand waiving away of senseless amounts of civilian death.

I'm sorry but are you equating Trump hyperbole resulting in nothing as equal to the actual murder of 3000-30000 civilian protestors who just didn't want a government that raped/murdered people for choosing not to follow a religion's morality laws?

[DrProtic]

I’m sure destroying their civilization will help them a lot.

[_DeadFred_]

The Islamic Republic of Iran has called for and acted towards/funded the destruction of the American people, my civilization, my family, for the last 40+ years, held mass protests of hate towards us continually. Boo hoo that rhetoric towards them from my side came close to the very much not rhetoric but moral/religious position they have vocally held, marched in support of, taught their children in school for 40+ years. The Islamic Republic of Iran has a government built billboard in their capital with a countdown to their desired destruction of another nation as well. Give me a break with the one sided moral outrage.

Iran/Iranians want me, my parents, my children dead. They have shouted this loudly for 40+ years. I grew up afraid of Islam, seeing the head of a religion and also leader of a nation that hated me calling for my and my families deaths. The head of a religion calling for the execution of people like Rushdie, simply for writing a book. I on the other hand just want Iranians to not be raped/murdered for their choice in hats. I have never seen/attended a rally that chanted 'death to Iran'. A huge part of my country's last election was talk on 'Americans don't want war with Iran'. Has ANY government approved Iranian moderate ran on 'we don't want death to America'?

[DrProtic]

You mean the chants they started saying after overturning the puppet regime US and UK installed through spying and meddling?

After they robbed them of their oil while they only wanted a deal the Saudi Arabia got but UK refused to give to Iran because UK was clinging to their imperialist influence?

The chant born after decades of oppression, spying, sanctions and assassinations?

Read a little history and you’ll understand better. It’s the UK who started the circle of problems and US expanded it.

You don’t need to attend the rally for your government to oppress another country, and you didn’t attend it because you weren’t the victim, Iran is.

And this comes from a person who has huge distain for governments not separate from religion.

[_DeadFred_]

You bring up destroying civilizations is bad, but it's ok for my son and daughter to die and their world destroyed because 1953? And somehow 10 year old me was wrong and needed to understand the historical reasons behind it and why the top religious leader was right calling for me to die and he was actually the victim?

Nah, fuck that nuanced chillness with the 40+ year desire for my (and now my childrens death). I get it, the world hates us and has been chill on Iran wanting our death since forever (not your problem). But 10 year old me was not in a death cult and really wouldn't have slept better knowing some things happened in the past so it's really not bad that a nation and entire sect of Islam's highest religious leaders want me/my family dead and my country/reality/world destroyed and I need to internalize I am the great satin and not let a religion's calling for my death impact my opinion of that religion.

These are the same islamic religious leaders that fatwah'd Rushdies death for writing a book they didn't like (I'm sure that was just words and he wasn't attacked). These are the islamic religious leaders who call for Israels death along with the USA, and funded the murder/rape/maiming/injuring of thousands of random civilians by their proxy on Oct 7th )who then broadcast the videos to the world they were so proud of what they did to random grandmas/families in their homes). So we all know it's not just words, they mean and want this and they directly fund/supervise proxies who happily/proudly murder random civilians in their homes (is that also ok because 'actually those murderers were the victims'?).

[za3faran]

You are repeating the same trope in another thread about Iran. No one wants your family dead. If you saw the latest lego movie that they released (about your tax money going to the corrupts), they clearly say they don't care about the American civilians, their issue is with the government which has been propagating wars for many many decades.

[za3faran]

Except that rape is not permitted by their religion's morality laws. This alone is sufficient to be extremely weary of what is reported by pro US/israel sources.

[_DeadFred_]

Iran has political discussion of if they need to rape women before they execute them, with the religious man that Iranians attribute that religious directive to having to make MULTIPLE public statements that he was not calling for women to be raped so that government officials would stop using him as justification to rape.

The founder of islam had multiple sex slaves taken from lands that he conquered by war. Excuse me if I think the religion isn't above rape. That would be like saying mormons don't take advantage of people in MLMs because their religion forbids them from taking advantage of people. Or anything about scientology's requirements of it's followers. It has zero weight. Actions do. The founder and most perfect man in islam raped women openly, was a rapist, his voice on the topic has zero weight to the contrary.

[za3faran]

Where is this political discussion exactly? Citation required.

Sex slavery, the one you are thinking of, does not exist in Islam, and is prohibited. No such thing took place. Rape is very clearly prohibited in Islam.

Now I wonder more and more where you are getting your misinformation from.

[_DeadFred_]

Easiest/first reference, I'm not deep diving into sex slavery by a holly man right now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_al-Qibtiyya

You can not give consent when you are a prisoner/slave. We recognize this and throw in jail any prison guard who has sex with people under their complete control. It is rape. When a slave has your child it means you raped them. A slave can not give consent just like an inmate in prison can not give consent, a child can not give consent. All such cases are rape. Slaves (of which four are listed here) + sex = sex slavery being commited.

Ibn 'Abbas said: When Maria gave birth to Ibrahim the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said, 'Her son has set her free.

From the very end:

Abu ‘Ubaydah said about Muhammad:

He had four [concubines]: Mariyah, who was the mother of his son Ibraaheem; Rayhaanah; another beautiful slave woman whom he acquired as a prisoner of war; and a slave woman who was given to him by Zaynab bint Jahsh."[35]

That is not a man above raping multiple women or sex slavery. And actions by religious leaders tend to have as much weight as words.

Again not deep diving but an Iranian theologin had to publish multiple letters publically because Iranians were using what he said as justification for raping virgins before execution. He had to publically call out that that is not what he said to stop it from happening. Again first source, I'm not deep diving so don't 'give me a different source'. Anyone that reads this is welcome to google that mans name (Hossein Ali-Montazeri) and the topic. You don't have to explain why 'people need to not rape because of what I said' if people are already... not raping.

https://wncri.org/2015/11/13/female-prisoners-virgins-raped/ https://www.womensvoicesnow.org/films/final-moments

[za3faran]

You did not cite sex slavery. Still accusations without basis.

> You can not give consent when you are a prisoner/slave

In Islam you absolutely can, (لا ضرر ولا ضرار) is a core Islamic concept, and I can cite many narrations that further prove this, let alone scholarly consensus and historic accounts.

You are doing the typical fallacy of projecting western nomenclature and behavior onto another culture during a different era. Orientalists and Islamophobes do this all the time.

Rape is not permitted in Islam, and is punishable. End of story. You have so far no brought any evidence. Even the wncri article you posted does no such thing, the headline is clickbait, and the body actually says the opposite. Did you even read what you posted?

Now, on the other hand, rape is very widely used and weaponized and ideologically justified by the israelis against Palestinians, and is extremely well documented for many decades now.

[1] https://x.com/novaramedia/status/2046178399085809773

[2] https://x.com/CensoredHumans/status/2008359532393615580

[3] https://x.com/CensoredHumans/status/2049403131877073175