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by csr86 75 days ago
In Finland we have old saying: "If liquor, tar and sauna won’t help, an illness is fatal"
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I would say booze rather than liquor. Liquor sounds too fancy.
It's call alcohol
Is it true that new houses are constructed/architectured as "sauna first" and then everything else is planned around the sauna?

or is that just an urban legend claim?

Not around the sauna per se, but sauna is often built first because it serves as a place to live while you're building the house!
Yes, that it was especially rural environments and not having much options otherwise to live around while building.

Sauna that was built then wasn't just one hot room, but it also had at minimum small changing room dressing/undressing, relaxing between turns in steam room. Also if it was first building made then adding also lounge which served as living space with beds and cooking stove while building house was common. With sauna you had place to stay warm first winter, able to get warm water, wash clothes, yourselves and even a give birth old times. Building sauna first made lot of sense.

These days sauna for home builders is more about getting sauna somewhere in that floorplan where works well for the intended users of that house.

>sauna is often built first because it serves as a place to live while you're building the house

wouldn't a kitchen accomplish that goal better?

Due to lack of running water in those times (and still in many cottages) cooking is done above a fire, water is brought from the lake. A kitchen won't serve you well if you're just trying to get through a long winter of -30c.
The sauna provides heating.
Average yearly temperature in Finland is reported as 6.5 Celsius
While it's true something like 90% of the accomodation have a sauna it's not like everything is planned around it. It's more like that it's the ONLY well soundproofed space, with nice atmosphere, that makes life enjoyable when your neighbors suck.
I have no idea if that claim is true, but what I did love about visiting Finland was the even the small apartment I rented had a sauna in it! It seems like it's a non-negotiable for even the smallest accommodations.
The cheaper apartments tend to not have private saunas built into the bathroom, but most apartment complexes at least have a shared sauna on the top floor. Residents can book a block of personal time in advance.
In most buildings the shared sauna is on the first floor (basement) and not top.
Also there can be blocks of time regularly scheduled, for example on weekends.
Even small brand new apartments tend to have their own sauna, which is quite impressive.
Trust your instincts.
The tar ointment I bought in Mariehamn is fantastic for healing small infected cuts and bruises. Highly recommend.
Tar?
"Tar, acclaimed to have been formed from the sweat of Väinämöinen, a central character from the Finnish national epic Kalevala, was an important medicament to the former-day Finns. Tar actually did bear antiseptic features, which worked as a cure for infections. Lately tar has been recognised to include parts that can cause cancer, and the European Union has urged that its use should be avoided." [1]

I personally dont know how tar was used for health, but it was big export item of Finland during medieval times.

[1]https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/themes/themes/health-a-wellbein...

Vishnevski’s Liniment, which contains birch tar, was a common treatment for wound infections and burns in the Soviet bloc. However, this was something that individuals used because there was nothing else at hand.

Now, there are things like Fucidin, Polysporin and silver ointment for infected wounds and burns, respectively, that are safer and more effective.

Some people still swear by it, because “tradition” and probably some element of malignant patriotism too.

Tar based, (anti)Dandruff Shampoo is still a thing
Yeah, works great but may cause cancer…
It is great stuff, I use it regularly. It makes my grey hair go all frizzy and flyaway, so that is a plus.
I only know how it’s used for psoriasis as part of the Goeckerman method [1] but allegedly there’s some general anti-inflammatory effect.

[1] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3735239/

It's mildly anti-fungal as well, which makes it effective in dandruff shampoo since a lot of dandruff is caused by fungal overgrowth, aka seborrheic dermatitis.

Another weird/fun one is using bleach as an anti-inflammatory (topical only, of course...), although these days you can find derivative products that offer the same benefits but are much less harsh.

I take a mild bleach bath sometimes and it’s quite invigorating. Seems to kill off a lot of skin surface bacteria which can sometimes be beneficial (there’s good and bad bacteria on your skin).

Not to be done too often but every once in a while I find it helpful. Not all that different from a strongly chlorinated pool.

Another cool one, especially if you don’t have a sauna, is doing a mustard bath. You will sweat like a stuck pig

> ... doing a mustard bath.

So many questions...

American, English, or Dijon?

*Sponsored by Heinz? ;)

piss on your feet (not in the sauna)
Do you... eat the tar? Put it on your skin? What exactly do you do with it?
Besides water proofing wooden boats and long time ago ships pine and fir tar it's been used protecting wooden roof tiles when they were a thing and still are used old wooden churches keeping and restoring.

It's used small amounts in additive in soap or shampoo mostly as a scent, mouth pastille and lozenge a for taste, animal health care kind antibacterial and bug resistant etc. long time ago.

Quite lot of applications especially old times long time ago before more scientifically developed medicines were commonly available. These days less there but it's used as a scent or for flavour.

I believe they were asking in the context of the quote at the start of the thread - "If liquor, tar and sauna won’t help, an illness is fatal."

I'm also still unclear on how it was used to treat human illness (treating boats and roofs is clear enough)

Sometimes you eat the delicious tar, yes!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terva_Leijona

I'm guessing these might no longer contain actual tar.

I think you can just replace it with Vaseline (Petroleum jelly) for 99% of the benefits
That's not antiseptic
Go to an ER or UC and have them dress a wound for you. They will use a healthy dose of petroleum jelly and generally tell you to stay away from antibiotic ointments.
Use honey instead.
Not directly, but it acts as a barrier against microbes.
Tar. Specifically wood tar,
Pine tar is used in topical medicine for dermatology around the world I don't think it's limited to anywhere particular.
In Finland, they are most likely using birch tar.
Nah, it's pine.
Isn't that the same stuff as in soldering flux?

Smells good, for sure. But I don't know if it promotes good health.

And coal tar
Not the tapes, tar pit tar, the black thingy used in boats. And now that I read what's the translation it seems to be asphalt actually.
Pine sap. You can get a schnapps of it, obviously.
Checked life expectancy in Finland: I guess you use booze to offset the positive effects of sauna :)
Are there any scientific results showing that this helps?
I'm not even Finnish and I came here to post this.