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by sethammons 651 days ago
> You’re being a thermometer. When they’re subtly giving off weird vibes—they’re frowning, answering your questions with fewer words than normal, etc.—you’ve noticed that their temperature is different.

And if you are doing this as a coping mechanism from having an unstable parent and you are like me (also maybe a bit of adhd): you internalize the person's chilled behavior and often assume it is your fault.

In case you need to hear it: You are not responsible for other's emotions (though you are responsible for your actions)

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I know this and I have learned more than enough about it to internalize it, but it just doesn't work. I can't find a way to stop the automatic jumping to conclusion and self blame.

It takes hours to get over it and that's exhausting. I am trying for years to find a way out, but it just hasn't internalized yet

I have the same problem and I made a lot of progress this year and the last. A few things that help in no particular order:

- Write things down. Over time you start noticing patterns that help you diagnose and fix the issue. I particularly love the post-mortem when returning from a house party, and how batshit itsane it reads 5 days later. I also have a play-by-play diary of me thinking I was misreading a person's intentions and agonising over every interaction. We've been together for a few years. It's fun to rewind the tape and laugh at your own irrationality.

- Treat your overreaction to social cues as irrational, and deal with it accordingly. Every Spring, my body tells me that grass pollen will kill me (hay fever), but I just ignore that signal as irrational. I now handle my hasty conclusions the same way.

- Indifference is the default. Most people won't be excited about you, but they're a very long way from disliking you. A lack of enthusiasm does not mean anything about you.

- Talk to others about it. When I started talking about my insecurities to close friends, they told me just how wrong I was, with lots of backing evidence. They were genuinely surprised that I thought any of those things. It's a bit like how a friend of mine was super self-conscious about something on his face, and a year in, I had never even noticed it.

> Treat your overreaction to social cues as irrational, and deal with it accordingly.

This is so smart.

Even broader, take your overreactions to most things as irrational. I am using this recently to rewire myself on all sorts of things and it's quite transformative.

Journaling helps a lot with that because you catch yourself writing about the same emotions in the same contexts. The predictability of it makes it easier to process rationally.
Any tips for the person on the other side?

I often mention something without implying blame (or even assuming blame), but it’s still processed that way.

I’m trying to be conscious of this though.

I have given up on people that can not process criticism. Its a vital aspect of working together, or even just living together. If everything I say is put on a scale, I simply dont interact with such people anymore. If you can't take criticism without the blame-game, you're not worth my time and effort.
> If you can't take criticism without the blame-game, you're not worth my time and effort.

QFT

Quantum Fourier Transform?
I had to Google as well. Quantenfeldtheorie is what came up for me, because Google insists it needs to show me german pages first... But I think what was actually ment is "Quoted For Truth"?
Hard to say exactly what you're dealing with, but you could take a look at Nonviolent Communication.
I don't think there is much you can do. Everyone has different trigger points and a different past. Personally I often feel misunderstood or not taken seriously. So from my point of view just be genuine, maybe paraphrase what you heard (just a tiny bit) and the usual "start with something positive first". The latter can be hard for me too though because then I might think "no they can't have such a positive view of me" - it's complicated and I even have a hard time explaining it.

So no real tips, sorry. "we" just have to learn how to live with it ourselves

If this is a consistent person in your life or a partner. The communication has to improve. Improving communication maybe impossible but I think it’s the only way.
What one has to figure out is where this pattern developed (most likely childhood). Once I can internalize why my emotions develop I experience a distance from the current situation. The distance removes the emotional reaction leaving me with an intellectual understanding.
> You are not responsible for other's emotions (though you are responsible for your actions)

I know you do not mean it this way, but I really dislike this saying. It is not even true, actually.

The most frequent use of this is people who are being, well, jerks, trying to argue that when people feel bad after being put down, insulted or treated with passive aggression, it is their own fault.

If people feel bad after your actions, yes in many circumstances you are responsible.

If you are acting like a jerk, that is an action, and I expressly put that you are responsible for your actions.

You punch someone and they are angry: your action is related. You arrive at work and say hi to your boss as they barely acknowledge you and are in a mood: you should not default to "what did I do wrong and how do I fix it oh god I am gonna get fired" - while it may also still be appropriate to try to cheer them up.

I think different senses of responsibility are under discussion

The parent comment I believe was saying that we do not orchestrate other people's emotions and you are saying that we do impact other people's emotions and both can be true

The whole article this discussion is under is all about intentionally orchestrating other peoples emotions.
So much of today's self-help (and a lot of therapy styles) seems to be focused on selfish, self-centered behavior.
A pithy little saying I learned when just starting out in my career:

"What you say, and what you do, says nothing about me, and everything about you."

Rejection Sensitive Dysphoria is so hard to combat at times - even if medication helps.