[sure_about_that]

==I have to think its tiresome from their point of view to constantly be reminded that white people see them as other.==

It’s interesting how you read DEI and immediately think it only applies to black people. Have you actually asked a black person what they think about it? If so, what did they say? If not, maybe you should.

What are the DEI policies that you support from the Republican candidate? I’ve never heard of that type of one-issue voter.

[LawTalkingGuy]

> It’s interesting how you read DEI and immediately think it only applies to black people.

Right, nobody said it did. That's the predominant content in the USA though so it's what's at issue here. Even you talk about it as if it does.

> Have you actually asked a black person what they think about it? If so, what did they say?

"For [Justice Thomas], white benevolence denies black people the pride of achievement. By contrast, if one is black and overcomes the barriers of Jim Crow, one can be assured that the accomplishment is real. Thomas often invokes the example of his grandparents, who, despite segregation, managed to acquire property and support their family. Though they 'had to work twice as hard to get half as far,' they knew, however far they got, that the distance was theirs. When black people succeed in the shadow of white benefactors, that certainty is lost."

> If not, maybe you should.

Indeed.

> You asked why there was an eighth principle and that is because it was adopted by credit unions [1].

Right, but why? The other principles are things that define credit unions.

> What are the DEI policies that you support from the Republican candidate?

Laws that make it illegal to discriminate against people for "racial" reasons. We just want the laws to make it clear that all racism is racism, even anti-racism.

[sure_about_that]

==Even you talk about it as if it does.==

No I did not. I echoed OP's comments and tried to follow their reasoning.

=="For [Justice Thomas], white benevolence denies black people the pride of achievement.....=

How is this related to DEI?

"As CUNA board chair, Smith had appointed a Diversity and Inclusion Ad Hoc Working Group and tasked its members with looking at the issue. In February, he wrote that their findings and his 40 years in the credit union movement told him the time had come to “officially recognize diversity and inclusion as part of the credit union philosophy.”

==Right, but why? The other principles are things that define credit unions.==

It's not a secret. Credit Unions (and co-ops) also employ people, so it makes sens from that angle, as well.

“Credit unions were established to serve specific – typically underserved – communities, making a place for those who had none. And today, our mission continues to be to provide opportunity and access for all."

And the future community is one that will include more minorities. Almost all growth in the U.S. population is coming from Hispanics, blacks, Asians and other minorities. The Census Bureau forecasts that non-Hispanic whites will be a minority of those ages 18 to 28 by 2028, and a minority of the total U.S. population by 2045.

“If we want to be more relevant to the communities we’re trying to serve, then focusing on becoming more diverse in our workforces really does matter,” Hansing said.” [1]

[1] https://www.cutimes.com/2019/10/11/diversity-and-inclusion-t...

[LawTalkingGuy]

> How is this related to DEI?

The words of a black man regarding affirmative action? In pretty much all the ways.

> Credit Unions (and co-ops) also employ people, so it makes sens from that angle, as well.

By that rule everything such as encouraging eating more vegetables should be in there. The guiding principles should be minimal and topical.

[sure_about_that]

Re-read your quote, those weren’t Justice Thomas’s words. They are the words of a New Yorker writer. It’s not his quote. Also, DEI is not only about black people. Affirmative Action is not the same as DEI.

== By that rule everything such as encouraging eating more vegetables should be in there.==

Credit Unions, the ones who wrote the principles, don’t have anything to do with eating vegetables. They believe DEI to be topical for their business. Have you run a Credit Union?

I like how you dismiss their opinion on their business practices, while embracing one person’s view of affirmative action as the definitive statement on DEI. It’s quite a stretch.

[LawTalkingGuy]

> Have you run a Credit Union?

No, but I've been part of co-ops and other community run groups for decades.

> Credit Unions, the ones who wrote the principles, don’t have anything to do with eating vegetables

Right, and they also don't have anything to do with race quotas. Or religion quotas or climate change or justice for the Armenian genocide.

> They believe DEI to be topical for their business.

The employees are certainly free to feel that these are the main issues in the world and to direct their charity work towards them but the organization itself should remain focused on the reasons the co-op was founded.

> you dismiss their opinion on their business practices, while embracing one person’s view of affirmative action as the definitive statement on DEI

Right. I've been there in the business practices but I've never been a type-A black man trying to succeed against all odds in a racist nation.

> Re-read your quote, those weren’t Justice Thomas’s words.

I do think his actual quotes support the authors view but you're right.

> DEI is not only about black people. Affirmative Action is not the same as DEI.

Affirmative Action is a tactic, DEI is a framework that encompasses it and many other things.

[sure_about_that]

== Right. I've been there in the business practices but I've never been a type-A black man trying to succeed against all odds in a racist nation. ==

This is exhausting. In your mind, one 75-year-old black man can speak for all of DEI, but actual Credit Union experts have no idea how to run Credit Unions. Meanwhile, the head of the CUs is a black man and also an expert in CUs. He succeeded against all odds in a racist nation, but you have completely de-valued his thoughts/experience because you dug in so deep.

== Right, and they also don't have anything to do with race quotas.==

Who mentioned quotas? This is the tactic you've shown over-and-over again in this discussion, continually throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks. You move the conversation away from the actual topic to go down some rabbit hole.

I am moving on. Hope you have a nice week.

[wonderwonder]

The article specifically mentions black people. " It’s a bit shocking that this is still an open question for the co-op movement, especially given that the national groups are just now starting to recognize the work done by African-Americans in co-ops throughout our country’s history."

"What are the DEI policies that you support from the Republican candidate? I’ve never heard of that type of one-issue voter."

I am a father to 2 white optimally straight (downvote me if you like but I would prefer my kids be straight, if they are not then I love them the same) boys. I find the school systems and corporate worlds constant focus on the rights of everyone except them tiresome and worrisome. I live in Florida so going to vote for Desantis. I don't like him at all but I respect his stance on this. I am going to vote for him based on this single issue.

[sure_about_that]

You asked why there was an eighth principle and that is because it was adopted by credit unions [1]. It doesn’t only apply to black people.

So you haven’t actually asked a black person if they are offended by it. It is in fact you who are offended by it. Makes much more sense.

What exactly is DeSantis’s “stance on this”? I know he championed a bunch of laws on what teachers can do/say, and which books are acceptable to read (i.e. regulations). I’m a father to two white boys. The world seems to be treating them just fine. They don’t seem like victims, to me.

[1] https://www.thenews.coop/142498/sector/credit-unions/us-cred...

[wonderwonder]

Of course its me that's offended by it, I don't think I was hiding it. With that said, I'm jewish, we've kind of had our own rough go of it. Good part of my family died in the holocaust and the Russian Pogroms. I had stones thrown at me as a child on 2 occasions because I was Jewish. In elementary school I had to sit outside in the open hallway rain or shine while the christian kids prayed (I'm not from America originally). I would never work for a company that singled Jews out beneficially and taught classes that said be polite to the Jews and don't discriminate against them. It means they are specifically saying I am different and that my coworkers are potentially anti-Semites. That's pretty awkward.

Desantis' stance is essentially telling teachers don't talk about Gay/Trans issues in the classroom and don't teach in such a way as to make children of a specific race feel bad or guilty for being of that race. You can argue it goes further than this and perhaps it does but that's my main takeaway and the reason for my vote. I'll still vote Biden for president though. I'm leaning towards voting Dem for federal positions and Republican on a state level.

[sure_about_that]

My kids are also Jewish, from my wife’s side. It is interesting to hear the comments of people when they have no idea.

Voting for split representation is a perfectly reasonable approach. I personally think DeSantis is pro-power, not pro-freedom. His stunt with asylum-seeking migrants is a great example. Also the fact that Florida doesn’t have things like legal weed, legal sports betting, legal abortion, and more.

[wonderwonder]

I for the most part agree with all your points on Desantis. Medical marijuana in Florida is a joke, I'm pro legalization. Not a fan of gambling personally but to each their own. On a personal level I think he's a Jerk. So with all that said as someone in my 40s that has only voted Democrat before, the fact that I am voting for Desantis shows how concerned I am with the social engineering going on in the country.

[sure_about_that]

I think DeSantis is the one engaging in social engineering, you just happen to agree with his policies. He is simply leaning into the culture wars which leads us to continued division without any actual solutions for the very real problems in our states/country.

I haven’t seen any evidence that being “anti-woke” improves K-9 test scores, lowers infant fatality rates, reduces mass shootings, improves quality of life, increases earnings, or any other actual benefit to citizens. It’s a distraction meant to prey on your emotions and hide the lack of actual policies.