[LawTalkingGuy]

> It’s interesting how you read DEI and immediately think it only applies to black people.

Right, nobody said it did. That's the predominant content in the USA though so it's what's at issue here. Even you talk about it as if it does.

> Have you actually asked a black person what they think about it? If so, what did they say?

"For [Justice Thomas], white benevolence denies black people the pride of achievement. By contrast, if one is black and overcomes the barriers of Jim Crow, one can be assured that the accomplishment is real. Thomas often invokes the example of his grandparents, who, despite segregation, managed to acquire property and support their family. Though they 'had to work twice as hard to get half as far,' they knew, however far they got, that the distance was theirs. When black people succeed in the shadow of white benefactors, that certainty is lost."

> If not, maybe you should.

Indeed.

> You asked why there was an eighth principle and that is because it was adopted by credit unions [1].

Right, but why? The other principles are things that define credit unions.

> What are the DEI policies that you support from the Republican candidate?

Laws that make it illegal to discriminate against people for "racial" reasons. We just want the laws to make it clear that all racism is racism, even anti-racism.

[sure_about_that]

==Even you talk about it as if it does.==

No I did not. I echoed OP's comments and tried to follow their reasoning.

=="For [Justice Thomas], white benevolence denies black people the pride of achievement.....=

How is this related to DEI?

"As CUNA board chair, Smith had appointed a Diversity and Inclusion Ad Hoc Working Group and tasked its members with looking at the issue. In February, he wrote that their findings and his 40 years in the credit union movement told him the time had come to “officially recognize diversity and inclusion as part of the credit union philosophy.”

==Right, but why? The other principles are things that define credit unions.==

It's not a secret. Credit Unions (and co-ops) also employ people, so it makes sens from that angle, as well.

“Credit unions were established to serve specific – typically underserved – communities, making a place for those who had none. And today, our mission continues to be to provide opportunity and access for all."

And the future community is one that will include more minorities. Almost all growth in the U.S. population is coming from Hispanics, blacks, Asians and other minorities. The Census Bureau forecasts that non-Hispanic whites will be a minority of those ages 18 to 28 by 2028, and a minority of the total U.S. population by 2045.

“If we want to be more relevant to the communities we’re trying to serve, then focusing on becoming more diverse in our workforces really does matter,” Hansing said.” [1]

[1] https://www.cutimes.com/2019/10/11/diversity-and-inclusion-t...

[LawTalkingGuy]

> How is this related to DEI?

The words of a black man regarding affirmative action? In pretty much all the ways.

> Credit Unions (and co-ops) also employ people, so it makes sens from that angle, as well.

By that rule everything such as encouraging eating more vegetables should be in there. The guiding principles should be minimal and topical.

[sure_about_that]

Re-read your quote, those weren’t Justice Thomas’s words. They are the words of a New Yorker writer. It’s not his quote. Also, DEI is not only about black people. Affirmative Action is not the same as DEI.

== By that rule everything such as encouraging eating more vegetables should be in there.==

Credit Unions, the ones who wrote the principles, don’t have anything to do with eating vegetables. They believe DEI to be topical for their business. Have you run a Credit Union?

I like how you dismiss their opinion on their business practices, while embracing one person’s view of affirmative action as the definitive statement on DEI. It’s quite a stretch.

[LawTalkingGuy]

> Have you run a Credit Union?

No, but I've been part of co-ops and other community run groups for decades.

> Credit Unions, the ones who wrote the principles, don’t have anything to do with eating vegetables

Right, and they also don't have anything to do with race quotas. Or religion quotas or climate change or justice for the Armenian genocide.

> They believe DEI to be topical for their business.

The employees are certainly free to feel that these are the main issues in the world and to direct their charity work towards them but the organization itself should remain focused on the reasons the co-op was founded.

> you dismiss their opinion on their business practices, while embracing one person’s view of affirmative action as the definitive statement on DEI

Right. I've been there in the business practices but I've never been a type-A black man trying to succeed against all odds in a racist nation.

> Re-read your quote, those weren’t Justice Thomas’s words.

I do think his actual quotes support the authors view but you're right.

> DEI is not only about black people. Affirmative Action is not the same as DEI.

Affirmative Action is a tactic, DEI is a framework that encompasses it and many other things.

[sure_about_that]

== Right. I've been there in the business practices but I've never been a type-A black man trying to succeed against all odds in a racist nation. ==

This is exhausting. In your mind, one 75-year-old black man can speak for all of DEI, but actual Credit Union experts have no idea how to run Credit Unions. Meanwhile, the head of the CUs is a black man and also an expert in CUs. He succeeded against all odds in a racist nation, but you have completely de-valued his thoughts/experience because you dug in so deep.

== Right, and they also don't have anything to do with race quotas.==

Who mentioned quotas? This is the tactic you've shown over-and-over again in this discussion, continually throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks. You move the conversation away from the actual topic to go down some rabbit hole.

I am moving on. Hope you have a nice week.