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by tylerfontaine 1406 days ago
Wow. To get the advertised lowest monthly fee for a model Y (Still $690/month!) you have to pay a $500 security deposit and a whopping $7900 “start fee”

While the deposit is refundable, the start fee doesn’t appear to be. So in 1yr, your total outlay is $16,680 for a $48,600 car. That’s essentially a 3 year payoff + 500 for deposits, and you don’t end up with a car after.

It’s not immediately clear what the advantage is here, I guess unless you can’t qualify for a regular car loan. But the equity cost here is very high.

They claim a loan on this car at 4.25% would cost 1900/mo, but it’s more like 1300. And Tesla financing is as low as 2.9%, which is 1277/mo if you put 4500 down. Those go to 1203/mo and 1178/mo respectively if you put down 7900.

I dunno. Nothing about this seems like a particularly good deal or good for it’s users. They don’t get the tax credits, they don’t get the equity, they just get a more economical rental. It doesn’t even look like there’s a purchase option in the end like a regular lease.

Maybe I’m being cynical here, and I will admit I have never quite understood the appeal of leasing anyway, but this concept just totally escapes me, and the numbers don’t make a good deal of sense to me either.

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It's ~$636 per month with nothing down on a 7-year loan.

At the end of 7 years, you can expect the car to be worth more than $20k (obviously depends on usage).

That's $17k in present value.

That reduces you're real payment to ~$410/m.

This is way worse for cash-flow. Way worse short-term, and obviously worse long-term, too.

I'm not sure how companies like this can find customers.

Some people have poor math skills and low impulse control; some people have great math skills and high impulse control; and some people have great math skills, high impulse control, and a high priority on having a car without owning a car.

Between the 3 groups, the company might be able to find enough customers to make it happen. Given the egregious profit margins baked into their model, they don't even need to find that many to make it happen.

Also, used EVs will eventually be easy to obtain and reasonably priced.

At $20K, the first auto loan calculator I tried estimates a $278 payment, zero down, ignoring resale value.

Unless this service lets you switch EV types at will (sedan, SUV, compact, truck, rivian, etc...), I really don't see the point of paying the startup fee.

One cynical take I can come up with after spending some time on the Tesla forums: Teslas are enjoyable to drive, but buying a Tesla is a quality crapshoot. Rather than roll the dice and see if the particular Tesla you purchase is one of the ones that’s fine or one of the ones that’s in the shop constantly, you can subscribe and if you get a dud, swap it for another. Dealing with the quality issues is Autonomy’s problem, not the individual driver’s problem.

Still doesn’t seem worth Autonomy’s prices to me though.

One use case I can think of might be as a way to drive a Tesla now without having to wait a couple years for the supply chain issues to die down. I waited 9 months for a new one, and according to the guys who installed my charger a lot of people pay a large premium on lightly used Teslas just to not have to wait 6-9 months for delivery. All I can say is the wait for a new one is worth it. Pretend you have car payments already and set those payments aside every month. Put all of that towards the payment upon delivery.
it makes sense for people with no or bad credit because they’re substituting the insane fee for a credit check
It "makes sense" only so far as it's an option. Most people with crap credit probably shouldn't be taking advantage of this.
I can think of more than a few high income recent immigrants who can’t qualify for a Honda Civic lease.