[Context_free]

One of the most horrific actions in this genocide was when the Chinese Air force bombed a wedding in Xinjiang, killing 37 people - many innocent women and children.

Oops! That was the US Air force 13 years ago, bombing a couple hundred kilometers southwest of Xinjiang, in a bordering country ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wech_Baghtu_wedding_party_ai... ).

It's illustrative how Americans get up in arms about how the Chinese dealing with Muslim terrorists in their own country deal with human rights, while they have flown across the world to perform massacres in the country on Xinjiang's western border.

[kuyan]

> It's illustrative how Americans get up in arms about how the Chinese dealing with Muslim terrorists in their own country deal with human rights, while they have flown across the world to perform massacres in the country on Xinjiang's western border.

The United States has a long, violent history that continues into the present day. I don't think anyone here is arguing that. It doesn't make the PRC's actions better, nor does it mean that we shouldn't condemn abuses of human rights where we see them.

[jedimind]

Don fall for the "terrorism" deception, it's about the geopolitical importance of xinjiang: https://youtu.be/ZxvYcByv2M8

[monocasa]

You'd be better off not pushing a video of unsourced commentary over clips from Mulan and Captain America.

[aptidude187]

You'd be better off not shilling for the ccp by attacking the validity of the video with petty remarks instead of specifying what exactly you are missing sources for. Most of the content was from well known research and is visible directly in the video itself.

[monocasa]

I'd suggest you look at how documentaries like "What the Bleep Do We Know" and "The Principle" are created out of editing together unrelated emotionally impactful set pieces and out of context statements from authorities and otherwise valid sources.

This video is using all the same editing techniques as you would to push geocentricism and make it look like Michio Kaku is onboard with it.

That's why they include crap like a The Winter Soldier from Marvel being interrogated and random clips from Mulan, while giving quotes that can't use an entire sentence of before being forced to use a jump cut.

[aptidude187]

>I'd suggest you look at how documentaries like "What the Bleep Do We Know" and "The Principle" are created out of editing together unrelated emotionally impactful set pieces and out of context statements from authorities and otherwise valid sources.

That's a false equivalency and doesn't apply to this very well researched and excellently presented mini documentary. If that were the case it wouldn't have received over 62000 likes and over 1 million views, so don't insult people's intelligence with your pseudo intellectual 'critique' by making hand wavy allegations without pointing out anything specific to which it actually applies in the content.

>This video is using all the same editing techniques as you would to push geocentricism and make it look like Michio Kaku is onboard with it. That's why they include crap like a The Winter Soldier from Marvel being interrogated and random clips from Mulan, while giving quotes that can't use an entire sentence of before being forced to use a jump cut.

Wow you don't like the editing, could you be more shallow and desperate in your defence of the ccp's genocide? The video is excellent in its approach to deliver an important topic in an entertaining and engaging manner, that's why it has successfully reached a greater audience. Your 'criticism' is a joke.

[munk-a]

Some of us here aren't American and don't see America as the sort of inspirational bastion of freedom that seems to be internally reinforced by your media.

Both America & the PRC can be in the wrong simultaneously, but, that said, the PRC is clearly more in the wrong.

[whimsicalism]

Yes, I don't think the United States does anything close to what the PRC is doing to its own citizens domestically, although I guess you can draw some comparisons with mass incarceration.

A more similar comparison with the West would be how Israel sterilized non-white jews through the 90s into the 00s.

e: and I'm downvoted for...?

[dirtyid]

Without considering US foreign policy. Even taking the most extreme Zenz estimates, a Uyghur in XJ has less lifetime chance of being incarcerated as a black American in US. And unlike US/western segregationist tendencies at cultural level, the XJ forced integration systems are designed to assimilate and not be a multi-generational minority repression trap. Compare development in Urumqi, Kashgar in XJ to western ghettos (i.e. French Banlieue) or indigenous preserves in Canada without basic amenities. Future BLM, indigenous and minority activists will be fighting long after next generations of Sinicized Uyghurs. Morality is complicated, especially evaluated on factors like time scope. The "long arc" moral universe is not necessarily better than "5 year" plan, and indeed the nature of compound interests / suffering suggest to me, that it's not.

[CyanBird]

Zenz insanity aside, I am just interested in why the "witnesses" strolled around western and specifically us affiliated mass media keep changing their stories and narratives

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/02/they-dont-only-rape-bu...

[Daho0n]

>the PRC is clearly more in the wrong.

How did you arrive at this conclusion? The victim count would massively disagree with it and so would the amount of imprisoned minorities. It seems to me that your first and last sentences disagree with eachother.

[mensetmanusman]

Victim count of CCP might include the over 100M dead from starvation and ‘cleansing’.

[Daho0n]

We could go on forever adding victims.

[mensetmanusman]

Sure, also we could define year-boundaries, cause & effect, e.g.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine

[Daho0n]

Sure, we can continue back to the British or maybe the Neanderthals too.

[AnimalMuppet]

There is a moral difference between accidental mistake and deliberate action.

[refenestrator]

The US has accidentally killed more muslims than China every single year for the last 20 years, though.

At some point you have to wonder why all these accidents keep happening, and why they always serve US geopolitical interests.

[marshmallow_12]

Basically, the USA has strategic interests in Muslim countries. They therefore maintain a military presence there. There is a lot of fighting going on in those places, which means that sometimes the military is forced to respond, people get killed, sometimes. These accidents keep happening because the conflicts are ongoing.

By the way, can you show statistics to back up your claims?

[whimsicalism]

Yes, but I also think it is harder when the accidents are foreseen. The United States doesn't take repeated military actions with the rational expectation that there won't be these accidental killings of civilians, so because they are foreseen, they are arguably intended.

[coliveira]

Right, because everything wrong the American government does is by "mistake"...

[marshmallow_12]

Exactly, they are not ideologically bent on persecuting groups of people. Therefore, if people get killed, they can be attributed to errors of judgement.

[monocasa]

The people in my high school graduating class in 2005 who joined the armed forces were very excited to be given the opportunity to "kill a bunch of sand ni**rs". They didn't get that mentality out of nowhere.

[marshmallow_12]

Powerful as your story is, it is only anecdotal evidence, not empirical.

[monocasa]

It's literally empirical, you just might not argue it's conclusive.

But ultimately I'm not going to be gaslit into this weird idea that you're pushing that the US armed forces don't have a racial component to the massive amounts of deaths they've created, when I've seen that with my own eyes.

[coliveira]

Of course, there is no racial hate between large parts of American population against Arabs... (sarcasm)

[marshmallow_12]

I'm sure there is, there are racists everywhere. I'm not sure what you mean.

[disgrunt]

There are approximately 3.45 million Muslims living in the U.S., none are being held in reeducation camps. [0]

[0]: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/01/03/new-estimat...

[g00gler]

Can you provide some sources for terrorist attacks perpetrated by Uighers?

[dyadic]

They're talking about East Turkistan Islamic Movement (ETIM), it's the Uyghur jihadist organization that's conducted a number of terrorist attacks using bombs and knives.

I don't have a source to hand but you can find some attacks listed on their wiki page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkistan_Islamic_Party#Attack...

[g00gler]

Very interesting. I had heard about people being stabbed at a bus stop back in 2014 but I hadn’t heard of many of these incidents.

Thanks for posting!

It seems like concerns about radical Islam are mounting in both the east and west (see Swedish burka ban, new French laws about stopping radicalization).

I wonder what avenues of unilateral action can be taken by China, the EU and US.

[jedimind]

It's a weak propagandist tactic to deflect, with false accusations of "terrorism", from the real geopolitical importance of xinjiang: https://youtu.be/ZxvYcByv2M8

[dyadic]

You've been posting similar comments all over this thread and it's a bit tiring.

You don't have to like or support what China are doing to acknowledge that the terrorism was real. These are real groups and real documented events that you would be calling terrorism if they'd happened in any other country. Be careful when you start making friends with your enemy's enemy.

[aptidude187]

Well if people like you spread pro ccp talking points then I see absolutely no reason why he shouldn't repeatedly post the evidence dismantling your propaganda. The absurdity is that China's reign is a literal reign of terror and misinformation as we already saw in Hong Kong and throughout history, not only in Xinjiang, but in their own territories (Tiananmen Square for instance) or dystopian surveillance and oppression, so accusing them of "terrorism" is just the pot calling the kettle black.

[dyadic]

Oh, come on. What is this?

> people like you

I linked an article on Wikipedia in response to someone’s question. It’s hardly Chinese propaganda. Really?

[tablespoon]

>> It's illustrative how Americans get up in arms about how the Chinese dealing with Muslim terrorists in their own country

> Can you provide some sources for terrorist attacks perpetrated by Uighers?

They're probably referring to stuff like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Kunming_attack

I remember after 9/11 there were paranoid fears that the US was going to do extreme things like round up all Muslims and put them in internment camps, etc. China's actually pursuing a policy not too different from those fears.

[marshmallow_12]

Telling

[lucian1900]

https://youtu.be/u4cYE6E27_g

[tablespoon]

It's worth noting that that video is by CGTN, which is China's version of RT:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Global_Television_Networ...

[dyadic]

Is that like Russia's version of the BBC?

[tablespoon]

> Is that like Russia's version of the BBC?

No. Or more precisely, that's a false equivalency because you can only make it if you ignore some very important details.

BBC: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Per...

RT: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Per...

CGTN: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Per...

[seppin]

No

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_media

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_broadcasting

> Public-sector media (state-funded) is not to be confused with state media (state-controlled), which is "controlled financially and editorially by the state."[1]

[jedimind]

Don't fall for the false "terrorism" accusation. The real issue is the geopolitical importance of xinjiang: https://youtu.be/ZxvYcByv2M8

[vorpalhex]

Sorry, what does a bombing in Afghanistan have to do with the CCP performing a genocide against an ethnic and religious minority?

[disgrunt]

36 people at a wedding is a tragedy, 2.5 million Uyghurs is a statistic?

[Daho0n]

Yes, some would say so, just like they would of the deaths at 9/11 versus the 50.000 dead children caused by the reaction.