[munk-a]

Some of us here aren't American and don't see America as the sort of inspirational bastion of freedom that seems to be internally reinforced by your media.

Both America & the PRC can be in the wrong simultaneously, but, that said, the PRC is clearly more in the wrong.

[whimsicalism]

Yes, I don't think the United States does anything close to what the PRC is doing to its own citizens domestically, although I guess you can draw some comparisons with mass incarceration.

A more similar comparison with the West would be how Israel sterilized non-white jews through the 90s into the 00s.

e: and I'm downvoted for...?

[dirtyid]

Without considering US foreign policy. Even taking the most extreme Zenz estimates, a Uyghur in XJ has less lifetime chance of being incarcerated as a black American in US. And unlike US/western segregationist tendencies at cultural level, the XJ forced integration systems are designed to assimilate and not be a multi-generational minority repression trap. Compare development in Urumqi, Kashgar in XJ to western ghettos (i.e. French Banlieue) or indigenous preserves in Canada without basic amenities. Future BLM, indigenous and minority activists will be fighting long after next generations of Sinicized Uyghurs. Morality is complicated, especially evaluated on factors like time scope. The "long arc" moral universe is not necessarily better than "5 year" plan, and indeed the nature of compound interests / suffering suggest to me, that it's not.

[CyanBird]

Zenz insanity aside, I am just interested in why the "witnesses" strolled around western and specifically us affiliated mass media keep changing their stories and narratives

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/02/they-dont-only-rape-bu...

[Daho0n]

>the PRC is clearly more in the wrong.

How did you arrive at this conclusion? The victim count would massively disagree with it and so would the amount of imprisoned minorities. It seems to me that your first and last sentences disagree with eachother.

[mensetmanusman]

Victim count of CCP might include the over 100M dead from starvation and ‘cleansing’.

[Daho0n]

We could go on forever adding victims.

[mensetmanusman]

Sure, also we could define year-boundaries, cause & effect, e.g.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine

[Daho0n]

Sure, we can continue back to the British or maybe the Neanderthals too.