[hackermailman]

Not uncommon in some cities in Canada to find out you're working for a criminal outfit if writing point of sale/restaurant software where they want you to produce one receipt for the customer and a different one for the restaurant or salon or shady car mechanic that then pockets the unreported tax aka a 'zapper'. Profitek was busted once, InfoSpec Systems, zappers are in high demand

[PappaPatat]

My first sale of my selfwritten software (about 35 years ago) was for a car driving instructor. The initial sales conversations where difficult. I thought they did not see the advantages of having their planning & bookkeeping in a computer...

How wrong I was. It was their "creative bookkeeping" that worried them. When I offered to make that all possible ('zapping' as it is called now), they loved it. Based on their referrals I sold it many times over.

Come next customer / market: bookshops. Guess what the most important selling argument was, besides easy cataloging, inventory, searching, website publishing and reporting? Right: zapping.

Thought me an important rule: do not underestimate what your customer is NOT telling you.

[jackcodes]

I know that taxes ultimately don’t result in lost schools and hospitals, as it’s never that 1:1, but do you ever think you could have cost your country a hospital, a new road, or a new warhead or whatever?

[senorjazz]

> or a new warhead

Perhaps they thought they were saving the lives of innocents from collateral damage in wars of aggression?

[henvic]

They probably were!

[kortilla]

Well given that they were already doing this before software, probably not?

[Kaiyou]

Taxes are pretty much theft at gunpoint, so I imagine nobody losing sleep over dealing with it in an appropriate way.

[henvic]

On point. Tax is extortion. If you don't pay, they'll send the thugs after you. Try to stand your ground and they escalate the violence up to murder.

[burnte]

Taxes are dues for being part of a club. Any club will send security if you stay there, without paying, and refuse to leave.

[Kaiyou]

Clubs are opt-in, taxes aren't.

[kortilla]

No, a club will not imprison you in the club. They will just kick you out.

[dragonwriter]

> Taxes are pretty much theft at gunpoint,

It's odd how the people that think this are generally the same ones most likely to argue that “positive rights” that impose a cost on others are an incoherent concept, and positive entitlement can at most be a limited privilege granted by others based on available resources and expected utility of the grant. But they fail to recognize that the “right” to wall off goods from the commons and exclude others by force—i.e., property—is very much a positive right that has a cost for others.

[nybble41]

Property is not a positive right. Property ownership is derived from the self-ownership of the person who created the property by combining their own labor with unowned land. The exclusive right to decide how the property is consumed is a negative right; others have no obligation to provide anything to the property owner, only to leave the owner (including their property) alone. Homesteading imposes no cost on others for the simple reason that these others have no claim to the unowned land being homesteaded.

Your error is starting from the assumption that land is owned in common by everyone, rather than unowned. If land were actually owned in common then you would need to obtain permission from every single person on the planet before using any of it. You would starve to death long before you obtained even a small fraction of the necessary consent. And no, the government cannot grant that consent on behalf of others who never deliberately and voluntarily agreed to permit the government to represent them. You would need the consent of each and every individual.

[Kaiyou]

You're using some words that I do not know if I understand them correctly, but let me just say that I personally think of rights as something that is either given to you by someone or taken by force and the only rights you truly have are the ones you can personally defend with your own force, since the other ones can be taken from you at any time. If you think you should have rights that you cannot take with your own force, that is the definition of entitlement.

[kortilla]

> It's odd how the people that think this are generally the same ones most likely to argue

Don’t attack strawmen, it’s boring.

[burnte]

Taxes are dues for being part of a club. You're free to move to somewhere else if you don't want to be part of that club but you don't get to freeload.

[nybble41]

If it were just a "club" (as opposed to a protection racket) then joining would involve consent and you wouldn't have to move to quit. Also, it's not as if there's anywhere you could move to that hasn't been infested with its own "club".

Merely wanting to be left in peace in the place where you were born without being compelled to pay for things you never asked for is not "freeloading".

[fock]

How about Somalia :). I reckon you can live without to many taxes there.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-sfVbXjODdRQ/T9-dLQR5yUI/AAAAAAAAM...

[Frondo]

Taxes are not theft, they are an agreed-upon payment for being a member of a society.

Your parents, as guardians of a newborn, made your initial decision for you to bring you into the society.

You maintained your consent by retaining your citizenship when you reached an age of majority.

Taxes are the price you pay for retaining the benefits of your citizenship.

Not theft.

[leetcrew]

this is sort of like the "wage slavery is consensual because both sides agreed" argument. what realistic alternative does someone who doesn't consent to taxation have? renouncing US citizenship triggers a large tax on the total value of your assets if you are wealthy. even if you're not wealthy, the US charges a flat fee of about $2000 for the process. you might literally be unable to afford renouncing your citizenship.

even after that, the IRS can come back and harass you at any time if they suspect you of tax fraud, and most foreign countries will cooperate with them.

[burnte]

If you're looking to leave the country over taxes, why the hell would them trying to tax your assets bother you? You're leaving. You are welcome to leave, no one is forcing you. It's the same argument with bringing jobs to dead small towns. No one ever promised everyone could get any job anywhere, sometimes you have to move. No one ever promised you could live in any country without help paying for the upkeep.

[Kaiyou]

They are a forced payment. To add insult to injury they are wasted on stupid things in a very inefficient way all the time.

[skrebbel]

Did it bother you that you were facilitating crimes?

[TheSpiceIsLife]

Tax evasion is a fairly soft crime, it’s shouldn’t be surprising there are people okay with facilitating it.

It’s not difficult to find people who believe, rightly or wrongly, the tax system is unfair.

[scandox]

It's a funny one because it's potentially one of the most serious crimes. You're stealing from everybody, undermining the basis of trust in the entire system in which we live and probably in the long term eroding the basis of democracy. You're creating a non-level playing field.

On the other hand, black and grey market activity are also I think quite an important counter-balance to the possibility of totalitarian government. It creates "gaps" let's say for more diverse human and economic outcomes. Which is also potentially good.

I think it's one of those indefensible things that we should tolerate a tiny amount of. Kind of like a vaccine in the body.

[speedplane]

> It's a funny one because [Tax Evasion is] potentially one of the most serious crimes. You're stealing from everybody, undermining the basis of trust in the entire system in which we live and probably in the long term eroding the basis of democracy. You're creating a non-level playing field.

This is true, and in addition, it's a very unequal crime. To properly evade taxes and get away with it, you need professional help. Most standard W-2 employees can't afford it, i.e., for most, the cost to hire professional help evading taxes is larger than the taxes they could save.

However, if you're very wealthy, then the calculus changes: saving 20% taxes on $50M/yr income is a lot more attractive than saving 20% on $200k/yr income. Effectively, the wealthier you are, the easier it is to evade taxes, further exacerbating at least the perception (and quite likely the reality) of inequality.

[ryanmercer]

>Most standard W-2 employees can't afford it, i.e., for most, the cost to hire professional help evading taxes is larger than the taxes they could save.

.

>than saving 20% on $200k/yr income

Erm, that's not a standard W2 employee's income. Not even close. The median U.S. household income was $63,179 in 2017.

[henvic]

Tax evasion is not even a real crime. Tax is stealing from someone. Tax evasion and avoidance are great for society and we would be poorer if people didn't do it. Virtually all tax money usually goes to wars, warmongers, and the pockets of politicians and bureaucrats. Virtually nothing returns to society as services.

When people find a way to pay fewer taxes, it means money is not only not going to wars, but also being able to be used for better things for everyone.

http://bastiat.org/en/twisatwins.html

[speedplane]

> black and grey market activity are also I think quite an important counter-balance to the possibility of totalitarian government.

I don't really buy this: plenty of totalitarian regimes have illegal black markets, that governments often tolerate because they don't see a threat to their power.

A better way to counter a totalitarian government is via open communication and coordination of the government's subjects. Government's are far more afraid of this, which is why strict censorship and propaganda are the "go-to" tools for any totalitarian regime.

[AndrewThrowaway]

> governments often tolerate because they don't see a threat to their power

I would say it is often even opposite of it - black/grey markets help to stay in power. When everybody is breaking some law, buying something [almost] illegally, everybody wants to stay quiet.

And it helps [totalitarian] government a lot.

[spottybanana]

> that governments often tolerate because they don't see a threat to their power.

You think for example the North Korean government happily tolerates the black markets there? No way. If it would be easy for them to control them they would close them down. The black/grey markets happening in totalitarian countries are more like compromises - it would be too difficult to stop the activity without murdering half of the population or so.

[c3534l]

Psychologically it's hard to see the victim, so people don't count it. It's a terrible thing about human nature, but it is what it is. The person you're replying to will never see themselves on the same level as someone who mugs someone or robs a liquor store, not because the damage they've done isn't worse, but because it doesn't feel wrong. We invent all sorts of ways and reasoning that allow us to do awful things without feeling guilt. It's just a sad fact about us.

[spottybanana]

> It's a funny one because it's potentially one of the most serious crimes.

No. How about serial killers, real theft etc.

> You're stealing from everybody

No, tax evasion is not theft. It is primarily your earned income where you pay taxes from. Tax evasion is tax evasion, no reason to confuse it with other crimes.

Think about it this way: easiest way to avoid taxes is not to work at all. Are all those who are slacking off with government benefits, or living off from savings or inheritance stealing from us? No, they are just not working.

> You're creating a non-level playing field.

The playing field will always be non-level, you gotta deal with it. What about those who have a job at the government and are not doing any work? Are those also stealing?

Trust in society is a complicated issue. Often the industries where tax evasion happens are low-income jobs. I'm not saying it is right thing to do, but I don't think it is as serious crime as many others.

[wongarsu]

> It is primarily your earned income where you pay taxes from.

Income you were able to earn because infrastructure allows businesses to operate, police forces protect their property, physical safety and the shipment of goods, a court system allows peaceful resolution of conflicts, armed forces protect you from invasion, fire departments prevent entire cities from burning down by putting fires out early etc.

Taking the benefits without paying the democratically set price for a wide array of services is not that different from stealing.

[catalogia]

> [tax evasion is] potentially one of the most serious crimes.

This reminds me of a joke I heard on Jerry Seinfeld's Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee series: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljaP2etvDc4

[cryptica]

The reality is that pretty much everyone these days facilitates some kind of crime or unethical conduct in one way or another. Either intentionally or unintentionally and either actively through collaboration or passively through inaction. Aaron Swartz was spot on when he wrote about "The intentionality of Evil" - http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/intentionalevil - This has become the biggest problem of our age.

Even a lot of the things that are legal these days are extremely unethical. The system is a mess. Capitalism is destroying society, rewarding bad behavior and punishing good behavior.

All the good companies/projects I worked on over the years (e.g. education) are struggling in this economy while all the evil ones (gambling, finance) are thriving.

Communism is looking better with each passing day. Especially with the level of automation we have today.

Every day, automation is getting better but people are getting worse. The systemic inefficiencies caused by fraud and other unethical behaviors under capitalism has outpaced the inefficiencies of a communist society whereby everyone gets paid the same and each person does as little work as possible.

[iovrthoughtthis]

Ethics. Where were yours?

[throwaway54324]

I’m not saying what OP did is right, however, is creating tools that could possibly bypass a governments’ laws always an ethical issue?

Would the creators of VPN software need to consider ethics since it could break government censorship? Or if the government requested I create a backdoor for them, would that also be an ethical issue?

[TeMPOraL]

Creating a tool that can theoretically be abused to break laws? No.

Selling a tool with a law-breaking feature, in full knowledge that its main selling point is that feature, that your customers are buying it specifically to break the law? That ought to raise some ethical concerns. You can say that it depends on the particular laws being broken - but here we're not talking about ethical minutiae of censorship or surveillance. We're talking the usual defrauding of the commons through tax evasion.

Creators of VPN software definitely need to consider ethics when deciding who to sell to, what uses to tolerate, what information to store, and how to navigate local laws. Such a business has to deal directly with conflicting needs of citizens, criminals and governments, and thus whatever it does, it's making an ethics choice one way or another.

[TheSpiceIsLife]

> We're talking the usual defrauding of the commons through tax evasion.

Giving ‘The Government’ less money is seen by some as a moral duty.

Governments do a whole lot of giving other people other people’s money. I’m sure there’s people who would argue this can be problematic.

[TeMPOraL]

There's plenty of such people. Most that I met are simultaneously unhappy about giving their government the money, and very happy to use all the services provided by the government from that money[0]. I would appreciate their views more if their argument involved pointing out that nobody asked them to sign the social contract, and that they have no meaningful way to opt out. But very few of such people I talked to raised that point. The argument seems to always boil down to "me getting service good, me paying for it bad".

(I've also seen people argue that they pay for more than they're using, but somehow the concept of derisking and variance reduction doesn't escape these people when it comes to buying insurance.)

--

[0] - Ranging from healthcare and schooling to laws, defense and ensuring a safe and stable environment in which everyone can conduct their business.

[michaelt]

> Giving ‘The Government’ less money is seen by some as a moral duty.

Right, but when you add a feature that does that and has no other major use, you move beyond 'seen by some' on to 'seen by me'

[jotm]

Yeah, look, ethics is great and all but when you risk being homeless or hungry, it quickly goes out the window. Especially for "victimless" (i.e. no one is directly affected) illegal activity.

[tonyedgecombe]

If you are at risk of being homeless or hungry you are probably below the threshold for paying taxes in most countries.

[iovrthoughtthis]

Assuming this is the truth, I think that's fair enough tbh. IMO your ethics have to change depending on your safety. I apologize for the initial assumption of your well being. I hope (given the context of the website) it is evident why I jumped to that assumption!

[psychoslave]

I would be very curious to be presented with a single case of tax evasion chiefly decided to avoid becoming homeless or hungry.

Also, ethics include one own integrity, it is not about sacrificing everything to others - at least not all ethical inquiries will conclude that.

[Gravityloss]

I would guess a lot of cash paid manual work anywhere in the world is done by poor and vulnerable people, avoiding taxes or any regulations.

[Aqueous]

seems like you were and are helping your customers commit tax fraud and should stop

[dcustodio]

Years ago the Portuguese government encouraged consumers to submit their receipts in a portal and each submitted receipt was a entry to a raffle where the prizes were luxury cars. This way they could match the receipts from consumers with the ones reported by the shops. It felt wrong to put citizens policing the shops but it worked.

[endorphone]

I remember visiting Italy and we were warned repeatedly to always take and keep receipts, even if just getting a gelato -- that after the transaction the police could demand it, with punitive measures if you don't have it. This system was to ensure that shopkeepers were actually keeping receipts.

The GST/HST system in Canada sort of serves the same purpose. It is an overarching tax system that seems redundant in that every business then can claim back every bit of GST they've paid out. But to do so you have to have receipts for everything, from every source, and when they randomly do an audit they aren't checking you as much as they're building a profile of every other business you interacted with.

Tax avoidance is a problem in every country.

[breischl]

At a different level that's part of the reason receipts exist, and why you occasionally see things like "if we don't give you a receipt your order is free."

In those cases it's typically about preventing the employees from not ringing up the sale and just pocketing the cash. The receipt proves that the order was entered into the system. Same idea, just a difference of who's stealing from whom.

Hm, I suppose that scam is less of a problem in the era of credit cards.

[kaybe]

Taiwan does that too. If you leave the country you can drop them off at one of the charity boxes using it for income.

[jonathanstrange]

The system still in place, if I'm not totally mistaken. (I haven't checked, because I usually don't give away my tax number for sheer laziness - I still don't know it by heart.)

[severak_cz]

we have something similar in Czech republic. It's called Účtenkovka (receipt lottery) and some con men discovered it and started their scams there.

[frandroid]

No wonder the Québec government swooped in and mandated a government POS terminal for the food service industry. :)

[stef25]

They did that here in Belgium too. Didn't take very long for one of the few official manufacturers of said terminals to jailed after presumably installing a few custom features.

[cat199]

> government POS terminal for the food service industry. :)

and how did procurement for that contract go?

[tyfon]

I assume it is common to report the company to the authorities when a request like that comes in?

Where I live at least not reporting activity like that could result in a few years in jail.

[badpun]

In Poland you're only required to report a crime if you're a civil servant and the crime is related to your job.

[tyfon]

Here in Norway there are special provisions for tax fraud and money laundering. It doesn't apply to "normal" crime only those. But it does apply for everyone not just civil servants.

[badpun]

So if for example I know that my uncle is not paying all his taxes I'm a criminal too unless I report him? Or is it only for bigger frauds?

[tyfon]

Yes if the government can prove that you knew about it without telling, you can be charged with it.

[speedplane]

>> So if for example I know that my uncle is not paying all his taxes I'm a criminal too unless I report him? Or is it only for bigger frauds?

> Yes if the government can prove that you knew about it without telling, you can be charged with it.

That's not generally true. In the vast majority of cases, simply knowing about a crime and not reporting it is not a crime in itself. You only become liable when you aid-and-abet or join in a conspiracy to commit the crime.

However, it depends very much on the specific crime. Tax evasion may be entirely different than say selling drugs.

[ta999999171]

Here in North America, you just donate 2% of your ill gotten gains to your local Congressperson!

[TeMPOraL]

Doesn't US have an "ill gotten gains" field on the tax form?

EDIT: Apparently, your illegal income is regularly taxable, and expenses related to (most) illegal activity are tax-deductible. Cool!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_of_illegal_income_in_....

"The U.S. Supreme Court in Tellier reiterated that the purpose of the tax code was to tax net income, not punish unlawful behavior."

I do appreciate this sentiment. Separation of concerns.

[nwatson]

The U.S. revenue-side of government isn't encouraging you to start illegal businesses to improve tax receipts, they probably get almost no taxes from that form-box ... it's just much easier later when authorities find out about your illegal activities to convict you of evading taxes that were clearly and easily payable in the past than to convict you of your particular illegal behavior.

[auxym]

Also the case in Canada, to my knowledge. A few years ago, a TV show called the tax agency anonymously, claiming to be drug dealers and asking how to report their earnings. The tax agency person was helpful and cooperative, and said they can't report it to police.

[r41nbowdash]

false art. 304

[nitrogen]

Are these used to inflate records of customer bills for laundering, or to deflate customer bills for tax fraud?

[didericis]

> pockets the unreported tax

I’d assume tax fraud is much more common than money laundering. Maybe drug dealers and the like create enough of a market for “reverse zappers” to exist; not sure.

[ryanmercer]

This is anecdotal but when I was involved with an "Ultra Lounge" (upscale club) the owner had, on several occasions, individuals approach him wanting to buy a % of the club with cold hard cash.

I was there for one instance, 2 guys had asked him for a meeting to get some advice on opening a pizza place or something and wanted the input of a non-competing experienced business owner in the area so he agreed to meet with them and I was there so I sat in just to see if I could learn anything from the exchange. Like we're in some cheesy movie, these guys make small talk before one sets a briefcase on the table and opens it to reveal gobs of what appeared to be 10s and 20s and proceeded to tell him they actually wanted to buy a percentage of the club cash and he shut them right down and asked them to leave. After they left he told me he was approached multiple times in the first couple years of business with such offers. People wanting to dump a bunch of cash in his lap that, presumably, he would then trickle into the coffers via fictional sales as a way for them to launder some money via their cash infusion and potentially get far more back if the club remained successful. At the time I legitimately thought they were friends of his and he was pranking me or something, it was so absurd. I came to realize though that those selling drugs definitely love clubs as we'd have kids in their early 20s coming in 1-2 times a week and buying bottle service at 300$+ a bottle to impress friends/girls week after week with no realistic way of having that much disposable income.

This guy was super shady in general, and his shadiness is why we ultimately parted ways, but even that was too much for him.

It would not surprise me in the least if there was a market for this for bars and clubs that had "creative" income streams on the side. He would regularly have the bartenders pour house shots (An "IV" of OJ/shot of soda water/cheapest well vodka) for free for a group of people to get them to stay (often it was bridal parties) to make the club appear busy and doing stuff like that would certainly be a way to legitimately burn through some cheap liquor that you could ring up as premium-priced cocktails. I could see restaraunts that do free refills on drinks also being able to do this by ringing up some extra drink/burger/fries sales and fudging the numbers several percent, if not ten percent, to similarly sneak illicit money in.

[hawkice]

I resigned from a software development job after being asked to write this dual receipt system for an AdTech company. Works for a lot more than tax avoidance in an industry where standard terms are revenue share agreements.

[gruez]

>where they want you to produce one receipt for the customer and a different one for the restaurant or salon or shady car mechanic that then pockets the unreported tax aka a 'zapper'.

Isn't this super easy to discover if you use any sort of electronic payment? Salons and restaurants might be cash based, but who pays their mechanic in cash?

[samplatt]

A lot of non-regular-maintenance jobs are easy & quick to do but break the law - for example, deleting the catalytic converter or EGR from the exhaust system will give your engine better performance and economy, but is illegal since it increases emissions.

Lots of places will do it anyway on a cash job if they think they can get away with it, because it's relatively easy money. A shop replaced my failed catalytic converter ($1200+ replacement) with a straight pipe ($20 pipe and $200 of time) many years ago because they (correctly) assessed me to be a broke-ass student who wouldn't tell on them.

[bArray]

> A shop replaced my failed catalytic converter ($1200+

> replacement) with a straight pipe ($20 pipe and $200 of

> time) many years ago because they (correctly) assessed me

> to be a broke-ass student who wouldn't tell on them.

The mechanic may have even made even more money by scrapping your catalytic converter.

In the UK, swapping the exhaust out for a straight pipe is a common (illegal) modification for greater performance and sound. To get the car through the MOT, you either need to find somebody willing to "look the other way" or re-weld the original exhaust in place.

I've seen in many scenarios "boy racers" dipping the clutch and coasting the car by the police. If your car is making a sound resembling a Spitfire you're sure to get pulled over, where they'll use a road side test kit and confiscate your car.

Some other popular cheap modifications include completely removing the air-filter (dangerous), stretching tires to create low-profile wheels (extremely dangerous if they let go [0]), putting the car on a diet (ripping out all interior, seats, etc), running contaminated fuel (either diesel/petrol mixes [1] or running farmer's diesel) - the list goes on.

There are also some processes for purposely causing the car to backfire regularly (especially on a down change, with quite large flames) and getting more "bang" from the fuel. At one point we were also experimenting with the idea of using the starter motor strategically to aid engine acceleration - but nothing ever came of it.

[0] We had a car crash on the motorway into the central barrier, which then caused all of the tires to instantly disintegrate - all at ~90 mph (~145 kph).

[1] We once had a vehicle literally explode when unburned fuel collected in the catalytic converter/exhaust and suddenly decide it wanted to be on fire. This in itself wouldn't have been an issue if a) somebody noticed and b) it didn't then ignite the fuel lines.

[samplatt]

>The mechanic may have even made even more money by scrapping your catalytic converter.

Oh, certainly. Not to mention that removing it would have been a larger & more difficult job, which I'd have to pay for... OR they can get less money but it's (very) easy money.

>completely removing the air-filter (dangerous)

Good god... Who the hell does that? What ricer would willingly risk killing their motor from eating some leaves (or a piece of gravel!) for a minuscule performance increase? The risk:reward scale there is just bananas.

[bArray]

I should probably add, at one time I had a throw-away car, it cost <£100, it's scrap value was £100+ and at the time the MOT and tax was registered to the car itself and it had a few months left of road-legal use.

Before scrapping it I decided to drive it around as a "risk free" car. The exhaust fell off (so not even a straight pipe), the battery was dead (had to push start it everywhere), the clutch was teetering on death, brakes were merely a suggestion to your speed (it had drums), the radiator leaked, the oil was probably as old as the car, tires were barely legal and it had no working headlight bulbs.

We ripped out all of seats, removed the air filter, filled the tank with contaminated petrol (had diesel in it - added a small amount of nitro-car fuel to balance it out) and drove it very hard.

I ended up using it for quick 20 minute journeys (that's about how long it took for all the coolant to leak out). We would leave it unlocked with the keys in the ignition - I think it was more hassle to whoever tried to steal it. The car survived long enough to drive itself onto the back of a flat-bed lorry to be taken to the scrap dealers once the MOT and tax ran out.

This is not uncommon either, many people get "traders plates" just so that they can drive barely legal cars around before getting rid of them.

[bArray]

> Good god... Who the hell does that? What ricer would

> willingly risk killing their motor from eating some leaves

> (or a piece of gravel!) for a minuscule performance

> increase? The risk:reward scale there is just bananas.

A lot of people do it. In the UK you've also got tonnes of rain regularly too, meaning all sorts of crap is sprayed into the engine bay area, both dry and wet.

The performance gain is surprisingly high given how simple the action is, the throttle becomes more responsive and you can audibly hear the engine taking gulps of air. Of course that comes with the associated risk. If you're a student with a £300 car and you want to pretend it's a race car, little tricks like this cost nothing for a little speed boost.

[kylehotchkiss]

The answer is: every old Japanese car with their hood open on a Friday evening at sheetz.

[ta999999171]

This guy knows what he's talking about!

Also, Sheetz is a regional gas station (once) popular with street and track racers. I guess it still is, but their food quality has gone through the floor.

[dsfyu404ed]

>Good god... Who the hell does that? What ricer would willingly risk killing their motor from eating some leaves (or a piece of gravel!) for a minuscule performance increase? The risk:reward scale there is just bananas.

Statistically nobody but every mechanic remembers the story of "that one idiot".

[adrianN]

> At one point we were also experimenting with the idea of using the starter motor strategically to aid engine acceleration - but nothing ever came of it.

This is how the hybrid car was born.

[bArray]

> This is how the hybrid car was born.

Yes :) We were quite amused to have had the idea a few years before it's popularization!

[everdrive]

Frustratingly, removing your catalytic converter has a very tiny effect on performance, and an enormous effect on emissions. Kids into car culture tend to hold very superstitious ideas about cars and performance. (eg, the manufacturer intentionally hobbled your car with a restrictive cat-back exhaust, and replacing it with something loud and terrible will "unlock" a significant amount of hidden horsepower.)

[tomatotomato37]

The reason for the superstition is that it is true ...in the 70s when the latest in emission technologies was clogging the exhaust with platinum balls. Now-a-days converters are built intelligently & removing it just reduces performance by fucking up the O2 sensor readings unless you also dump a grand on a new ECU

[bArray]

> Now-a-days converters are built intelligently & removing it

> just reduces performance by fucking up the O2 sensor

> readings unless you also dump a grand on a new ECU

You can also get a piggy-back ECU for the purpose of sending false sensor data - it's quite a bit cheaper.

[jacobush]

At first I couldn't see how this could work - I assume there is no yearly government check up on your cars including emissions?

https://www.bilprovningen.se/boka-besiktning.html

[samplatt]

Correct, not in Australia.

[pengaru]

In my experience when doing illegal modifications the transaction is not only in cash but also 100% off the books; there's no need for POS receipt shenanigans.

[vl]

But how exactly are you going to discover it? If transaction is deleted from the local log, you need to subpoena all payment processors and cross-reference, which takes non-trivial amount of effort.

I new a guy who was developing hacked firmware for POSes in the 90ies. One of the cool features he had is that at the end of the day the owner could unlock secret mode, enter amount of sales he wanted, and POS would create entire fake log spaced through the day and print it on tape, update electronic counters and then lock, and again behave like normal terminal ready for inspection.

[raverbashing]

No, you check the bank accounts associated with the business.

You check other proxies relating to services rendered vs. money earned for an initial estimate.

[auxym]

Are you implying this only happens in Canada? If so, why is that you think?

Genuinely curious, if the US has managed to implement effective anti-tax avoidance solutions, could they be implemented here?

[dspillett]

> Are you implying this only happens in Canada?

I read that as the OP saying they had specific experience/knowledge of it happing there, rather than intending to imply it happens there more than anywhere else.

[mozey]

Lol, in South Africa we have a mobile payments app called "Zapper"