[lustysocietyorg]

The nutrition science in 2019 is clear and has been clear for decades.

A high carb low fat low protein whole food plant based diet with (cheap) vitamin supplements and maybe linseed oil:

- is the healthiest diet.

- is the cheapest diet.

- is the most efficient and environment friendly diet.

- is the most ethical diet with regard to immoral animal suffering caused by humans.

[wavegeek]

Citation required.

I was on such a diet for many years and eventually gave up on it because I could not make it work in a healthy way.

Why?

Too many deficiencies. Example: Linseed oil /= DHA/EPA. Many or most people cannot make long chain Omega 3 fats in the quantity needed from vegetable "Omega 3" fats.

Too many anti-nutrients in plants.

Get on youtube and search "I used to be a vegan" for numerous cases like mine, health irreparably damaged.

[lustysocietyorg]

Citations: https://lustysociety.org/diet.html

Besides: Vegans In The US Can Now Get Cheaper Life Insurance Thanks To Their Diet : https://www.plantbasednews.org/post/vegans-plantbased-cheape...

DHA/EPA are not essential fatty acids but conditionally essential fatty acids.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential_fatty_acid

> Get on youtube and search "I used to be a vegan" for numerous cases like mine, health irreparably damaged.

What did a vegan diet do to you ? Lack of vitamin B12 or other vitamins ? I advice to use vitamin supplements no matter the diet.

I agree that youtube offers much true and useful knowledge.

Unfortunately youtube offers also much false and harmful knowledge.

Some better youtube channels about nutrition:

Mic the Vegan : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGJq0eQZoFSwgcqgxIE9MHw/vid...

Nutritionfacts.org : https://www.youtube.com/user/NutritionFactsOrg/videos

PLANT BASED NEWS : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJRjK20fHylJyf-HiBtqI2w/vid...

[mcv]

  > A high carb low fat low protein whole food plant based diet with (cheap) vitamin supplements and maybe linseed oil:
  > - is the healthiest diet.

I would love to see the argument for this. I accept that it's the most cheap, efficient and possibly ethical (although there are a lot of ways you can go about producing this food, not all of it ethical), but healthiest? High carbs makes you fat. You need proteins and some fat. Having your diet be all carbs sounds like a bad idea.

[lustysocietyorg]

> High carbs makes you fat.

An excess of energy makes you fat. Besides, fat is much easier to store as body fat for the body than carbs or protein.

> You need proteins and some fat. Having your diet be all carbs sounds like a bad idea.

I wrote whole food plant based diet.

I wrote high carb, low fat, low protein.

NOT: max carb, min fat, min protein.

[mcv]

I'm no dietician, but here's a couple of facts/myths/urban legends I've heard about nutrition. No idea how true they are, but they sound plausible to me:

* carbs digest into glucose

* too much glucose in your blood triggers insulin production which turns glucose into fat

* a glucose spike can trigger an insulin spike which leads to a glucose dip an hour or two after lunch

* eating fat triggers the feeling of being full, reducing your desire for more food

I have no idea how true these all are, but my impression is that there's at least some evidence supporting these. And if you add them all up, it sounds to me like you get fatter from eating carbs, because that can lead to a glucose spike -> insulin spike -> glucose dip which makes you want more sugar to get your glucose back up. Whereas food with more fat may make you feel full and stop craving more food.

[lustysocietyorg]

These 4 points you mentioned are true facts.

But your conclusion is still not true. Saying carbs should be avoided is like saying water should be avoided because people died from drinking too much.

Biochemistry and psychology is complicated.

But a healthy diet is well known and not complicated.

Basically: Whole food plant based diet with vitamin supplements (notably vitamin B12) and e.g. linseed oil for the essential fatty acids.

Dr Garth Davis: Americans have become obsessed with Protein https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQCt3IhaUtU&feature=youtu.be...

[mcv]

I think there are significantly more people who eat too many carbs than people who drink too much water.

Speaking for just myself, I used to feel that sugar low after my lunch, and I know that craving for more carbs. I gained too much weight as a result. Now I've cut down on my carbs and I mostly snack on veggies these days and try not to overdo carbs at lunch, and that seems to help at least with that sugar low.

[lustysocietyorg]

When I write carbs I mean staple food and fruits and not candy or sweet fat in the form of chocolate and caramel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staple_food

[vibrato]

High carbs mean satiety takes more energy input to reach.

[turtlecloud]

Well that’s the complete opposite of the keto diet which is high fat low carb and is the top diet in America in 2019

[bluecalm]

How is keto a top diet in America? Vast majority of people in America get majority of their calories from carbs.

[lustysocietyorg]

It is among the top diets promoted by fake experts (e.g. youtubers, magazines,...) and marketing experts.

Even kitchen machines for vegetables have "low carb" stickers on the box. Crazy.

> Vast majority of people in America get majority of their calories from carbs.

Maybe they still get too much calories form other sources. Of course sugar in soft drinks are not the best carbs.

Dr Garth Davis: Americans have become obsessed with Protein (2015-10-28). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQCt3IhaUtU

And US food and junk food is quite fatty. Also because of meat.

[lustysocietyorg]

Yes. It shows again that marketing and personal fantasy trump science and truth in the USA and probably elsewhere too.

But not eternally. Science will prevail eventually.

[amanaplanacanal]

Science will prevail eventually, on that I will agree. Unfortunately most nutrition science today is complete garbage. The evidence doesn't back up the results they claim.

Basically, at this point each person has to try various things and figure out what works best for themself.

[lustysocietyorg]

True science is clear and known.

Q&A on the carcinogenicity of the consumption of red meat and processed meat. https://www.who.int/features/qa/cancer-red-meat/en/

Position of the American Dietetic Association: vegetarian diets https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/19562864/

Position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics: Vegetarian Diets https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/27886704/

Nutrition concerns and health effects of vegetarian diets. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/21139125/

Why Doctors Don't Recommend A Vegan Diet | Dr. Michael Greger https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_d1Ca6SsKfE

New Canada Food Guide: Some Can't Handle It https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lp4zWaLE_ik

Unfortunately lies and fake science affected by a personal or political or financial agenda confuse people.

[amanaplanacanal]

None of those are actual studies.

Quoting from the first link: "In the case of red meat, the classification is based on limited evidence from epidemiological studies showing positive associations between eating red meat and developing colorectal cancer as well as strong mechanistic evidence.

Limited evidence means that a positive association has been observed between exposure to the agent and cancer but that other explanations for the observations (technically termed chance, bias, or confounding) could not be ruled out."

This is garbage science. It's all like that. Believe whatever you like, though.