[andrewcooke]

what kind of meditation needs (or is helped) by this?

i kind-of do mindful meditation (i'm no expert) and this would be just one more piece of sensory data to acknowledge and then largely ignore.

if you're doing "concentrative meditation" (i'm using terms from wikipedia) then i would have thought this would be distracting.

is this more like new age tv?

[thucydides]

Good question. The site's 10 minute guided meditation right now does not sound like the forms of Zen meditation I'm familiar with, and it doesn't sound like mindfulness meditation. What is it? And is it evidence-based?

I practice Zen-style breath-counting meditation (susokukan) now. No doubt many different kinds of meditation are beneficial, but I suspect they have different effect sizes. Probably some do nothing for you at all.

The most unexpected consequence of breath-counting is how dispassionately I see my random intrusive thoughts during meditation, whether it's anger at someone, a happy memory, or a worry about some future task. It sounds crazy to non-meditators, but it's actually hard for me to not to laugh during meditation sessions at how ephemeral and "unreal" these thoughts are... and how quickly all emotions, sensations, thoughts move in and depart like blips on the screen of mind.

After breath-counting for half an hour, I feel a much deeper, more substantial calm than if I'd done something like listening to relaxing noises in the same time. It's a calm of mind that bleeds into the rest of the day, because meditation gives practice at seeing the shape-shifting nature of thoughts and human identity.

Does the kind of meditation practiced on this site have similar effects?

[dbtc]

breath-counting meditation sounds really interesting, where did you learn about it? Any recommended resources?

[KingMob]

I can give you basic instructions based on what I've been given at Fire Lotus Zendo and Insight Meditation Society:

Sit, get comfy, and calm down. Relax your eyes, your jaw, your shoulders, and anywhere you're carrying tension.

WHen you're settled, focus on your breathing, pick one spot (belly, nostrils, nose, etc) and count each breath in your mind. Try to count softly; you want to pay attention to your breathing, not your counting. Start at 1 and go to 10. When/if you reach 10, start over again from 1.

When you find yourself distracted by a thought (and you will), that's normal. Just acknowledge the thought, and start counting again from 1.

Get curious about your breath. Is it hard or soft, fast or slow, dry or wet, smooth or ragged? Notice the pauses at the ends of the inhale and exhale: what's it like? What are the parts in-between like as it comes and goes?

If you find the counting helpful, stick with it. If you find the counting too distracting, just try to pay attention to the breath without it.

Lastly, don't worry too much if your mind is bouncing around like a monkey on a sugar rush; that's pretty normal. Most of the practice of meditation is continually coming back to the present moment, not attaining blissful thought-free emptiness (which is quite rare, even on retreat).

Good luck

[MichaelGG]

Thanks. I find that when I focus on counting my breaths, I immediately start visualising the numbers. They get painted. Or flipped around in 3D. If I pay attention to breath, then it, too, takes on all sorts of stuff. A whistle-type breath might make me see a cliff with wind blowing by it, and then that'll trigger memories. I can't seem to get passed even 3.

[seren]

This is expected, if you are freeing some of your attention and focusing on your breathing, intrusive thoughts will likely arise. Don't get discouraged or angry about your lack of attention, just refocus "gently" on the breathing. And just keep going. With some practice, it becomes easier to stay on the breathing. The goal is not suppress or ignore those intrusive though anyway.

[KingMob]

In theory, anything can be the subject of attention. But at least at first, it's best to practice sticking with one thing, to build your focus.

As a pragmatic matter, if the counting is distracting, try paying attention to the breath without it.

Likewise, if the breath itself is problematic (something I'vep ersonally wrestled with), try another anchor: full-body awareness, or just listening.

[thucydides]

Great introduction!

My favorite book for beginners is Philip Kapleau's Three Pillars of Zen. The author was a Zen teacher for many years and helped steer me in the right direction.

[KingMob]

That's a great book!

[tripzilch]

I do this every morning for 23 minutes. Except I'm a computer programmer so I do start my counting at zero.

After one or two counts to ten (but starting over whenever I'm distracted) (which happens a lot), I usually stop the counting and just focus on my breathing, which I find more relaxing.

[phodo]

try vipassana meditation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vipassanā

[KingMob]

I agree with you in several ways, but to be charitable, just look at the site as a place to go to get some guided meditations for newbies.

I think over time, people turn away from guided meditations as distracting (I know I do), but something like this could be helpful to the right person.

[nabla9]

This is more like using suggestion to enable relaxation.