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by wolvoleo 4 days ago
So basically the Obama agreement that Trump trashed. Only now people had to die to get to this point.
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…plus iran gets $300bn in reconstruction money
This completely ignores the shareholder value to the military industrial complex and the truth machine value of prediction markets from the not-insider traders.
Also...

The US' limitations in its ability to project power have been exposed. Having American bases in the middle east has been shown to be nothing but a liability for host countries. And Iran has proven that it can withstand anything the US is willing to throw at it, and hit back hard, over a relatively prolonged period.

And Iran has shown that its constitution is strong and power succession is effective even after a massive decapitation strike. There was seemingly zero turmoil, control appears to have been maintained without issue.

And Iran's non nuclear option of controlling the strait has been tested andd shown to be highly effective.

And Iran has gained significant operational experience with its massive stores of drones and missles.

And the US has lost multiple billion dollar intelligence installations in the region.

And Americans have been made aware of the Israel lobby like never before, and Trump is in a very difficult position heading into the midterms.

> And Iran has proven that it can withstand anything the US is willing to throw at it

Also, the idiot in the WH, single handedly turned Iran's many anti-regime citizens to pro-regime and patriotic.

This is a very good point. Not a word about protests recently.

Before the war it felt like the regime was about to collapse, just a matter of time.

> And Iran has proven that it can withstand anything the US is willing to throw at it, and hit back hard, over a relatively prolonged period.

Absolutely not. But Trump made two huge mistakes: 1) not imposing the naval blockade from the very start, 2) stopping the military offensive after only roughly a month, when about 50% of the Iranian missile stockpile was still intact. We must resume combat operations, bomb Iran until they are unable to fire back, and use their frozen funds to pay for damages to neighboring countries. It is absurd to offer Iran sanctions relief or "reparations," and makes Trump look incredibly weak.

Other things should also be done in parallel, such as actively hunting down and sinking Iran's "shadow fleet" of vessels, around the world and relentlessly until they are unable to export a single drop of oil by sea. We could also take their bridges and railroads and further deal a huge blow to trade with other nations by land. An invading force isn't needed for any of this.

> It is absurd to offer Iran sanctions relief or "reparations," and makes Trump look incredibly weak.

But hey, at least gasoline prices will go down before the midterms. That's what really matters to the American electorate, right?

(I wish I was joking.)

Unfreezing assets was also a thing in Obama's deal
The $300B are on top of unfreezing assets.
From who? Trump can not even get the $10B he said would go to Gaza?
idk about 300 billion, but the Gulf States have already, and rather silently, unfrozen north of 10 billion in assets (https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/6/12/uae-to-unlock-froze...)

which is of course the real kicker, The Gulf states are going to pay for the adventure and deal with an emboldened Iran and their damaged economies and infrastructure. Having US bases in the region has turned from a security guarantee into a disaster, the implications of this are pretty obvious.

“US and allies” apparently
Obama's agreement didn't stop enrichment, leading to the current crisis.
You mean the crisis that was entirely manufactured, after our own intelligence agencies said Iran was not building a nuclear weapon?
It did to weapons grade. It only permitted enrichment for energy purposes. And was validated by inspections.

The current crisis is entirely because Trump trashed that agreement in the first place.

...and then you woke up and realised that Iran never allowed those inspectors to inspect the actually important facilities and started removing inspectors from the country in 2023 under Biden.

https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/pressreleases/iaea-director-...

Chronologically wrong.

During the time of JCPOA (original, between Iran and the P5+1) inspectors had access to where they wanted to go (sometimes with friction, sure) and were able to place tamper resistant / tamper revealing instrumentation, air filters, and spectrometers - effectively creating a data record that could place a stochastic cap on {enrichment level, volume}.

After Trump ripped up that agreement during his first term, withdrawing from the pact in 2018, that was no longer the case - leading to your linked 2023 statement.

The JCPOA was a huge mistake. Even assuming that it truthfully capped enrichment and prevented the development of an atomic bomb, at the same time it enriched the nation and therefore allowed Iran to finance terrorism and ballistic missiles.
> Even assuming

It did.

> at the same time it enriched the nation

It returned some of that nations own money.

> allowed Iran to finance terrorism and ballistic missiles.

Like Russia, Israel, the UsofA, North Korea, et al ?

Balance of Power is a tricky game.

and now Iran is getting fresh €250 banknotes, impressive gambit sir
Biden was elected _after_ Trump broke the deal so it's unclear why you think that tells us anything about what would have happened had the United States honored the treaty.
The crisis exists because Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons. That's the root issue.

JCPOA was never a permanent solution. Under JCPOA, Iran agreed to temporarily cap enrichment for 15 years until 2030. After which, Iran could enrich freely.

JCPOA had no extension framework, the deal could not be extended without being renegotiated. And Iranian officials refused to agree to permanent enrichment caps, they said the 15-year sunset on enrichment was a non-negotiable.

The experience of the last 10 years with these dingbats in charge is an incentive for every country to pursue their own nukes
> The crisis exists because Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons.

The US's own intelligence agencies said they weren't, though.

That's a badly misleading framing of the situation.

The U.S. intelligence community said for more than a year that Iran was weeks away from enriching uranium further to bomb grade, said Daryl Kimball, executive director of the Arms Control Association.

"That is extremely worrisome but that is not weeks away from having a nuclear weapon and not weeks away from having a nuclear weapon that can be loaded on a nuclear missile," Kimball said.

"My understanding from non-governmental sources and the internal assessment of the (intelligence community) is that they believe it would take several months or more to fashion the highly enriched uranium bomb grade into a nuclear device, and one to two years to manufacture a small light nuclear device," Kimball said.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2025/jun/23/Tulsi-Gabbard...

Not gonna bring up that the US is now paying Iran 25B + who knows how much in reparations? Weird how you forget this important talking point of yours.
So you're saying all of this shit is a because we could not renegotiate a deal... which is to end in 2030? As if there was no more time to wait?
> The crisis exists because Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons

According to whom? I know there's one country who says Iran is two weeks away from nuclear weapons, but who else?

According to Ali Motahari, a former member of the parliament of Iran. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Motahari

Former Iranian Majles member Ali Motahari said in an April 24, 2022 interview on ISCA News (Iran) that when Iran began developing its nuclear program, the goal was to build a nuclear bomb. He said that there is no need to beat around the bush, and that the bomb would have been used as a "means of intimidation" in accordance with a Quranic verse about striking "fear in the hearts of the enemies of Allah."

"When we began our nuclear activity, our goal was indeed to build a bomb,” former Iranian politician Ali Motahari told ISCA News. “There is no need to beat around the bush,” he said.

When asked if saying this publicly will negatively affect the ongoing JCPOA negotiations, Motahari answered: "Nobody notices what I am saying."

https://www.memri.org/tv/former-iranian-majles-member-motaha...

https://www.iranintl.com/en/202204245312

> a former member of the parliament of Iran

He wasn't a member at the time of those statements nor did he have any involvement in their nuclear program. That's misleading to say the least.

Ali Motahari—former member of Iran’s Parliament—clarified that the interview dates back to May 2022, when he neither held a parliamentary seat nor any official role in nuclear affairs.[0]

So besides a single guy in Iran, are there official delegations that have concluded Iran was developing nuclear weapons? The US has had two National Intelligence Estimates, which consists of all 18 agencies in the intelligence community, conclude that they were not developing nukes.

0: https://wanaen.com/trump-shares-old-ali-motahari-interview-o...

> MEMRI was co-founded by Israeli ex-intelligence officer Yigal Carmon and Israeli-American political scientist Meyrav Wurmser in 1998.

Well that's convenient, isn't it.

It did though? Trump pulled out of the deal in his first term and then Iran enriched from 3%.
JCPOA only had temporary enrichment limits, which would end in 2030, after which Iran could enrich freely. It did not permanently stop enrichment.

If JCPOA was followed by both Iran and the US to the letter, we would face a similar crisis to the one seen today, except around 2031-2035.

Unless agreements are renegotiated and extended, of course.

What matters is ongoing engagement and monitoring, it's a far more tractable position than standoffs with zero knowledge or interaction.

The core reason those sunset dates exist is because Iranian officials stated that a sunset on enrichment limits was a non-negotiable. They would not sign a deal without them.

Claiming "agreements are renegotiated and extended" is hypothetical. What incentive does Iran have to agree to enrichment caps post-2030? Why would Iran give up its strongest negotiating card, its nuclear program?

For the same reasons it temporarily gave it up before?
> Claiming "agreements are renegotiated and extended" is hypothetical.

What's not hypothetical is that, under the deal, they agreed to not enrich until 2030. What's not hypothetical is that Trump abandoned the deal, with nothing to replace it, allowing them to start enriching in 2017 instead.

And if you're going to claim that renegotiation is hypothetical, then you also have to agree that any other possible future outcome, including one in which Iran develops a functional nuclear weapon, is also hypothetical.

and lord knows a new deal would not be possible by that time...
Ok, so Trump gave them 13 years of enrichment that they wouldn't otherwise have had.

And those 13 years would have been plenty of time to extend or renegotiate that agreement.