[defrost]

Chronologically wrong.

During the time of JCPOA (original, between Iran and the P5+1) inspectors had access to where they wanted to go (sometimes with friction, sure) and were able to place tamper resistant / tamper revealing instrumentation, air filters, and spectrometers - effectively creating a data record that could place a stochastic cap on {enrichment level, volume}.

After Trump ripped up that agreement during his first term, withdrawing from the pact in 2018, that was no longer the case - leading to your linked 2023 statement.

[drnick1]

The JCPOA was a huge mistake. Even assuming that it truthfully capped enrichment and prevented the development of an atomic bomb, at the same time it enriched the nation and therefore allowed Iran to finance terrorism and ballistic missiles.

[defrost]

> Even assuming

It did.

> at the same time it enriched the nation

It returned some of that nations own money.

> allowed Iran to finance terrorism and ballistic missiles.

Like Russia, Israel, the UsofA, North Korea, et al ?

Balance of Power is a tricky game.

[drnick1]

My point is that we should have taken "their" money and used it against them. This is how you deal with enemies.

[kelnos]

That's naive and simplistic. Your counterparty isn't going to agree to a deal if they get nothing in return. "Stop doing nuclear stuff or else" isn't a deal, it's a demand.

And this fiasco proves that the US can't really do enough militarily if Iran just decides they don't want to abide by a deal/demand. Sure, this war was costly and painful for Iran, but they're coming out of it with better terms than they had before the war.

[drnick1]

> but they're coming out of it with better terms than they had before the war.

That is precisely the problem. We have not done enough militarily when we clearly had the upper hand in the first few weeks of the war. We sank their boats, destroyed their planes and anti-aircraft batteries and could freely fly all over the country destroying targets at will. The Trump administration has clearly failed to finish what it started and has left Israel and the GCC countries in a worst position than if it hadn't done anything at all. The "deal" is a pathetic outcome.

We should return to combat operations and finish what we started. This is not about invading the country. It is about neutering the regime so that it can't threaten the region and international waterways. The most important aspect of this is bleeding it dry economically by destroying their ability to export oil. Track and sink the "shadow fleet" anywhere in the world, carpet bomb oil production facilities, and destroy bridges and railways that allow trade by land. Make it clear that any damages caused to neighboring countries will be paid for by Iran using their frozen assets.

[wolvoleo]

Yeah great idea, let's destroy the whole world economy, which is still dependent on that oil.

[croisillon]

and now Iran is getting fresh €250 banknotes, impressive gambit sir