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by coredev_ 36 days ago
It's very funny to me that all of our municipal EU customers requires that we host in EU. But they all run Microsoft online email, Entra and so on themselves.
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Have you tried to migrate out of Gmail / outlook?

They literally reject your emails. There is also nothing you can do if ms/google black lists you.

The only real solution for EU is to ban the operations of Google and Microsoft. China style. So that their ecosystem can breath again.

I haven't tried to leave Gmail, but I've run email servers for 15 years and have never had trouble sending email to Gmail (get plenty of spam from them though). I often read people saying Gmail rejects mail, but I suspect such people are running mail servers on cheap VPS providers, who have bad IP reputation.
Is there a public list of these IPs? Any legal way an EU citizen can dispute it?

No, just wishes, more sketchy data brokers who claim they have the blacklists and prayers to the US monopolies.

And the question becomes why in 2026 should the EU bow to the wishes of US monopolies?

Anyone can build an email service. Anyone can build a “cloud”. Anyone can build a spreadsheet.

Good riddance.

IP reputation lists predate Gmail by many years (eg spamhaus). I know Gmail used to use them, and may still. It would obviously make sense to keep their own stats as well.
I've successfully exited Google Workspace for email, calendar and contacts about two years ago. Went with Fastmail. It's been rock solid.

Unfortunately, Drive and Voice are keeping me subscribed to their service despite me wanting VERY BADLY to exit it. Neither have good alternatives that check all the boxes.

Not sure about voice, but for Drive shouldn’t it be straightforward with any thin client on top of a eu object storage?

https://european-alternatives.eu/category/object-storage-pro...

There are apps that can map them as a drive directly for your pc/mac/linux

> They literally reject your emails. There is also nothing you can do if ms/google black lists you.

There are so many ESPs that do not get rejected. Neither is it true that there isn't anything you can do if you end up on a blacklist.

That's not to say that it's trivial, but it's certainly doable.

Yes I did and it is no problem at all.
>But they all run Microsoft online email, Entra and so on themselves.

On their iPhones with Apple IDs.

Yes but the discussion is about data stored on the cloud, not the devices people use.
It should be both if sovereignty isn't just a buzzword.
Sure but let's start with not having all citizens' sensitive data that EU state orgs store in american cloud, and then we can talk about creating an EU based alternative to google/apple in mobile.
iCloud is a thing. Your Apple device syncs many things on the cloud.
I really hope that people in state orgs do not store citizens' sensitive data on their phones.
Not a lot of European alternatives. Jolla is the only one that comes to mind.
Moving email to private and physicaly owned server should always be the first step.