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by whatever1 34 days ago
Have you tried to migrate out of Gmail / outlook?

They literally reject your emails. There is also nothing you can do if ms/google black lists you.

The only real solution for EU is to ban the operations of Google and Microsoft. China style. So that their ecosystem can breath again.
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1over137 33 days ago
I haven't tried to leave Gmail, but I've run email servers for 15 years and have never had trouble sending email to Gmail (get plenty of spam from them though). I often read people saying Gmail rejects mail, but I suspect such people are running mail servers on cheap VPS providers, who have bad IP reputation.
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whatever1 33 days ago
Is there a public list of these IPs? Any legal way an EU citizen can dispute it?

No, just wishes, more sketchy data brokers who claim they have the blacklists and prayers to the US monopolies.

And the question becomes why in 2026 should the EU bow to the wishes of US monopolies?

Anyone can build an email service. Anyone can build a “cloud”. Anyone can build a spreadsheet.

Good riddance.

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lokar 33 days ago
IP reputation lists predate Gmail by many years (eg spamhaus). I know Gmail used to use them, and may still. It would obviously make sense to keep their own stats as well.
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nunez 33 days ago
I've successfully exited Google Workspace for email, calendar and contacts about two years ago. Went with Fastmail. It's been rock solid.

Unfortunately, Drive and Voice are keeping me subscribed to their service despite me wanting VERY BADLY to exit it. Neither have good alternatives that check all the boxes.

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whatever1 33 days ago
Not sure about voice, but for Drive shouldn’t it be straightforward with any thin client on top of a eu object storage?

https://european-alternatives.eu/category/object-storage-pro...

There are apps that can map them as a drive directly for your pc/mac/linux

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Avamander 33 days ago
> They literally reject your emails. There is also nothing you can do if ms/google black lists you.

There are so many ESPs that do not get rejected. Neither is it true that there isn't anything you can do if you end up on a blacklist.

That's not to say that it's trivial, but it's certainly doable.

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i5heu 33 days ago
Yes I did and it is no problem at all.
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