[don_esteban]

You can 'justify' the actions of Israel and USA, but in the same way Iran and others can 'justify' their actions.

The fact is that USA has attacked Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, bombed Yemen and Syria. Add to that Israel's actions and the picture is rather clear.

The 'justification' for a war against Iran is absurd - it would have had a bit of standing, if it had a chance to lead to stability in the region. However, it was absolutely clear to anybody who has at least a bit of understanding in regional and military matters that it will lead to major regional destruction and destabilization. And it did. And is still going on, with no end in sight. The end result is exactly opposite to the stated aims, and it has been rather obvious from the beginning. Yet, you stall parrot this absurd narrative.

If I tell you that it is in your best interest to pay me for stuff that is going to protect you, and that I am going to settle in a room of your house to protect you from your neighbour. And then from that room I shoot at your neighbour, which provokes him to burn your house, which I have no way of stopping. Did I provide you security? Or you just paid a protection racket and got a burning house anyway?

The last line was there, because I cannot imagine any other reason why would you repeatedly parrot obviously false narrative.

[rramadass]

This is a different discussion from the original we started with i.e. your lack of knowledge of Oil economy, its importance to the world and the UAE's role in that.

If you want a discussion on this topic open a new thread (instead of hiding here) have everybody engage and see what you get. You will be laughed out of the thread.

With every comment of yours, your cluelessness about Oil Economy, Global Geopolitics, Military Matters, Islamic Fundamentalism etc. all relating to the Middle East (ME) countries becomes more and more apparent.

What has happened to the ME countries after WWII is a result of their own misguided fixation on the destruction of Israel. Instead of coexisting like North Korea/South Korea, China/Taiwan, India/Pakistan etc. the fundamentalists in the ME countries ruined themselves and the Palestinian cause. Israel had offered a two-state solution for the Palestine problem many times, but every time the ME countries scuttled it thus making the ME wars inevitable.

The US (the sole superpower) being Israel's ally and security guarantor meant that it will safeguard Israel by taking out its stated enemies which is what happened. Any collateral damage to world/oil economy etc. were managed and stabilized. The rest of the world does not care about the fate of the ME countries as long as their Oil needs are met. This is "Realpolitik" at play and is how geopolitics works.

Hence now enlightened countries like UAE/Qatar/Oman/etc. have moved away from past policies and are charting their own independent courses. This is also why Saudi Arabia is fast-tracking its reforms to modernity.

I can provide you with links to a dozen books/papers elaborating the above but i fear it will all be wasted given your breathtaking ignorance and unwillingness to learn. You seem to live in a fantasy world of your own making with no relevance to reality and how the world actually works.

[don_esteban]

I bow to your grand understanding of Oil Economy, Global Geopolitics, Military Matters etc.

Just somehow can't fathom how (with all your superior understanding) you can utter this nonsense: Any collateral damage to world/oil economy etc. were managed and stabilized.

If you had not noticed, the oil and gas (and fertilizer, and aluminium, and helium) are still barely dripping, not flowing. And the end does not really appear in sight. The damage is definitively not managed and stabilized.

My original point was that UAE raising their production capacity is irrelevant as long as Hormuz is not open, as the bypass pipeline is of limited capacity. The only relevant thing you were able to say (but not substantiate) is that surely UEA will be able to build a parallel pipeline in 2 years. Time will tell.

[rramadass]

Again, zero understanding of what i had written.

The "were" in Any collateral damage to world/oil economy etc. were managed and stabilized. refers to past ME conflicts and how eventually they were all managed and stabilized. If you cannot comprehend basic English nothing can be done.

As regards the current conflict, it is still ongoing and so the situation is in flux. But what can be said is that the effects so far have been muted than what was anticipated. Here is a detailed analysis; but the nuances need some thought which might be beyond you - The Weirdest Aspect of the Iran War That Has Oil Experts Scratching Their Heads - https://medium.com/newsarticulated/the-weirdest-aspect-of-th...

Your original point (if there was any) had been shown to be clueless with simple math (ADCOP capacity as a percentage of OPEC cap) and geography (bypassing Hormuz). The previously linked articles detailed massive investments by gulf countries to build infrastructure to bypass Hormuz starting decades ago with the current situation accelerating it all.

It is only your obtuseness/ego which is refusing to accept plain facts. Reminds me of a quote by Poe - "Stupidity is a talent for misconception."

[don_esteban]

You have shown nothing to disprove my original point, just throwing irrelevant or wrong statements at the wall.

Massive investments by gulf countries to build infrastructure to bypass Hormuz starting decades ago ... and still nothing much to show up for that. The math is simple: despite those massive long term investments, the total capacity to bypass Hormuz is still a small fraction of what usually went through there. You provided only hand-wawing when pressed that it will take many years to raise that bypass capacity.

To say nothing about extreme vulnerability of those pipelines and their pumping stations ... the only solution is peace in the region, and not 'peace through strength' - we are witnessing now where that leads to.

It is incredible how well your last statement fits you.

[rramadass]

Your comments take the cake for obtuseness, lack of comprehension and lack of reasoning. You are just engaging in silly echolalia.

I had provided many sources to show how things are and how they are developing. The sources to do with infrastructure even shows which all countries (there are two) had been bypassing Hormuz for a while now with their alternative pipelines. It also showed the level of investments going on to accelerate their developments. And yet you are engaging in childish "nah, nah, nah" behaviour.

I can only shake my head bemusedly being reminded of the truism of Einstein's quote - "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe".

[don_esteban]

Did you actually read the sources you provided, with the keen eyes to see what is written, and not what you wish to be there?

To quote (from your provided https://www.dw.com/en/iran-war-strait-of-hormuz-oil-supply-r...)

"Gulf states race to bypass Hormuz

Gulf leaders, meanwhile, are moving ahead with plans that will allow more of their crude oil to bypass the strait entirely and help to secure exports in the long term.

Earlier this month, the Financial Times reported that Saudi Arabia, the UAE and others were actively considering new oil pipelines to run parallel with existing structures, along with expanded export terminals on alternative coastlines."

the important part: 'actively considering', not even starting to build, just considering

"Saudi Arabia, UAE need to 'double' pipeline capacity"

I am well aware of the two existing pipelines, how long it took to actually build them, and how limited their capacity is compared to the actual need if Hormuz is closed. Yet, you still can't comprehend that wishful thinking about the future does not change the current dire situation.

That's why we talk past each other: You are talking about optimal future you pretend will inevitably happen very, very soon. I am talking about the reality here and now.