[don_esteban]

You have shown nothing to disprove my original point, just throwing irrelevant or wrong statements at the wall.

Massive investments by gulf countries to build infrastructure to bypass Hormuz starting decades ago ... and still nothing much to show up for that. The math is simple: despite those massive long term investments, the total capacity to bypass Hormuz is still a small fraction of what usually went through there. You provided only hand-wawing when pressed that it will take many years to raise that bypass capacity.

To say nothing about extreme vulnerability of those pipelines and their pumping stations ... the only solution is peace in the region, and not 'peace through strength' - we are witnessing now where that leads to.

It is incredible how well your last statement fits you.

[rramadass]

Your comments take the cake for obtuseness, lack of comprehension and lack of reasoning. You are just engaging in silly echolalia.

I had provided many sources to show how things are and how they are developing. The sources to do with infrastructure even shows which all countries (there are two) had been bypassing Hormuz for a while now with their alternative pipelines. It also showed the level of investments going on to accelerate their developments. And yet you are engaging in childish "nah, nah, nah" behaviour.

I can only shake my head bemusedly being reminded of the truism of Einstein's quote - "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe".

[don_esteban]

Did you actually read the sources you provided, with the keen eyes to see what is written, and not what you wish to be there?

To quote (from your provided https://www.dw.com/en/iran-war-strait-of-hormuz-oil-supply-r...)

"Gulf states race to bypass Hormuz

Gulf leaders, meanwhile, are moving ahead with plans that will allow more of their crude oil to bypass the strait entirely and help to secure exports in the long term.

Earlier this month, the Financial Times reported that Saudi Arabia, the UAE and others were actively considering new oil pipelines to run parallel with existing structures, along with expanded export terminals on alternative coastlines."

the important part: 'actively considering', not even starting to build, just considering

"Saudi Arabia, UAE need to 'double' pipeline capacity"

I am well aware of the two existing pipelines, how long it took to actually build them, and how limited their capacity is compared to the actual need if Hormuz is closed. Yet, you still can't comprehend that wishful thinking about the future does not change the current dire situation.

That's why we talk past each other: You are talking about optimal future you pretend will inevitably happen very, very soon. I am talking about the reality here and now.

[rramadass]

Again this nonsense; Don't selectively quote from one source which is dishonest.

That link and the other sources i had provided contain more data which you are intentionally obfuscating.

There are already a few existing bypass pipelines and older ones are being recommissioned in addition to planned new ones. For your edification, here is a short reuters note on existing and proposed (does not list all) pipelines bypassing Hormuz - https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/alternative-routes-m...

Finally, note that capacities of existing pipelines can also be increased by using techniques like "Drag Reducing Agents" (DRA) amongst others.

[don_esteban]

How fortuitous of you to provide me with more ammo to prove my point. :-)

All the 'possible alternative routes' remain in 'conceptual' stage. The east/west and Fujeirah pipelines are operational, and, as discussed before, insufficient. That was my whole point (especially w.r.t. to UAE).

The KIRKUK-CEYHAN pipeline is middling (170k barrels/day, up to 250k) and does not help UAE at all.

The Goreh-Jask pipeline is in IRAN! (an not really operational), does not help UAE at all.

Don't you read with comprehension? Don't you see that this is another irrelevant reference that does not address my point at all?

[rramadass]

Nice attempt to make a sneaky about-turn! But you cannot appropriate my points as yours since the evidence is right there.

> That was my whole point (especially w.r.t. to UAE).

BS. Your point was nothing but just arguing for the sake of it. No sources, no idea of absolute vs. relative output, no idea of what exists today, no idea of technologies which can increase output within the existing pipeline (do you even know what DRA is?), no idea of the scale of investment for infrastructure building (since last 10 years!) etc. etc.

Repeating points from my sources does not mean you understand them. Your obtuseness and lack of comprehension is on full display here since in the last comment i actually gave the source for all possible Hormuz bypasses by gulf countries so far. The exact phrase i used was; here is a short reuters note on existing and proposed (does not list all) pipelines bypassing Hormuz. This was pointing to the entire region. Note that the previous sources had also shown these in their maps. You can't even understand when i am talking about the gulf region as a whole vs when i am talking about UAE specific. This is the very definition of obtuseness.

Even Proverbs 17:28 is not applicable to you!