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by vel0city 63 days ago
I've driven from Dallas to Houston barely having to touch the wheel or pedals the whole way. I don't own a Tesla.

Other brands have had self driving features for years now. Some even operate at a higher level of automation.

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Just go test drive one before you attempt to make a comparison, this statement is embarrassing tbh
Which car? Seems like Tesla has the best version although I suppose it depends on the circumstances of the trip.
Mustang Mach E. But once again, lots of other cars have similar self driving tech, many better than the Mach E or Teslas. The Bolt I was considering at the time could have also done most of that trip hands-free.

And that was actual hands-free, while Teslas at the time required you to take putting torque on the wheel to lie to the system.

Even then my 2017 Hyundai did practically everything but steer. Get it on the highway, turn on ACC, and it'll handle the traffic just keep it in the lane. It even did all the stop and go traffic.

Which ones are better today?
Ones that don't actively try and drive in front of trains in attempt to kill their operators.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMqTmOTtft4

literally every single competitor will do it because they don't control for them at all. Most of them don't even control for traffic lights or stop signs. Also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lc-HUZUiQg
A used toyota corolla with comma 4
My R1T's autonomous driving is decidedly better than Tesla autopilot. I say that from thousands of miles driven with each.
Highest end mercedes?
No. Their L3 was a scam, never sold and not actually planned to be sold anymore.
So, the same as Tesla's L3.
You can go to austin and take an unsupervised robotaxi right now
Last I heard they still have a car following. Has that actually changed?
Robotaxi is a service, not a product you can buy.
You have no idea what you're talking about. The highway-only driver assistance on cars like Fords does not compare at all to what you get on a Tesla with the latest hardware.
Barely touching the wheel is a qualitatively different experience than never touching the wheel. HW4 Tesla owners have gone over 10,000 miles without intervening, including a cross-country trip.[1] The car even finds charging/parking spots and parks on its own. The only equivalent I’ve experienced is Waymo, and you can’t buy a Waymo.

1. https://www.tesla.com/customer-stories/cross-country-trip-fu...

I don't trust anything Tesla posts on their website about self driving. They've been known to post entirely fictional stories about their self driving. Crazy you still choose to believe them after they've been known to so brazenly lie there.
David Moss is a traveling LiDAR salesman. He doesn’t work for Tesla, and Tesla didn’t know about him until one of his tweets about his FSD experience went viral. Unless you think he faked images of his FSD stats for months and Tesla went along with it, I’m not sure what to tell you.[1]

1. https://x.com/DavidMoss/status/2010608939751047484

I don't know who David Moss is, I have no reason to trust him. His tweets I can see are practically nothing but Tesla and Grok shill posts.
Let’s say, hypothetically, that someone has gone thousands of miles on FSD without intervening. What information would need to exist to convince you of this?
The verified, raw data of at least 1,000 other people's worth of data, so the data has a chance of being statistically significant, rather than 1 random dude out of billions posting on the car company CEO's website (on which said CEO is infamous for moderating content to suit his views and ego).
More than a random Twitter feed and a news post from a company which is known to spread lies, that's for sure.
cryptographically signed timestamped raw log data.
Ok, try it yourself with a new HW4 and you will see.
I've ridden in Teslas many times operating in "FSD" (read: not fully, and not self, driving), nearly every time its made some kind of moving violation including nearly hitting a pedestrian. No thanks.

I heard the same thing in 2019, HW3 solved all the issues, it finally just works as advertised. That was after HW2 was guaranteed to ship with all the hardware needed for FSD a decade ago, for real this time.

I'll probably wait for HW5, then you'll tell me its really there. This time it won't even run people over, and it actually stops at stop signs more than just 98% of the time.

Personally I try and avoid systems that drive people in front of trains. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMqTmOTtft4

> over 10,000 miles without intervening, including a cross-country trip.

You realize that a cross-country trip makes that achievement weaker, not stronger, right? That's just a bunch of highway driving, which is the easiest to automate and will have you racking up a lot of miles quickly.

City driving is the real test, not driving a milion miles in a straight line.

I am interested to see how Tesla is going to drive in Dutch cities.

I will give car makers the benefit of the doubt: it is difficult to simulate real traffic. You can't do real life tests with teenagers on bicycles.

This is so far removed from my personal lived experience that it's almost laughable. The auto park on Tesla is an accident waiting to happen.