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I don't trust anything Tesla posts on their website about self driving. They've been known to post entirely fictional stories about their self driving. Crazy you still choose to believe them after they've been known to so brazenly lie there.

1. https://x.com/DavidMoss/status/2010608939751047484

David Moss is a traveling LiDAR salesman. He doesn’t work for Tesla, and Tesla didn’t know about him until one of his tweets about his FSD experience went viral. Unless you think he faked images of his FSD stats for months and Tesla went along with it, I’m not sure what to tell you.[1]

I don't know who David Moss is, I have no reason to trust him. His tweets I can see are practically nothing but Tesla and Grok shill posts.

Let’s say, hypothetically, that someone has gone thousands of miles on FSD without intervening. What information would need to exist to convince you of this?

ImPostingOnHN 67 days ago

The verified, raw data of at least 1,000 other people's worth of data, so the data has a chance of being statistically significant, rather than 1 random dude out of billions posting on the car company CEO's website (on which said CEO is infamous for moderating content to suit his views and ego).

That’s what it will take for you to believe that someone has gone thousands of miles without intervening? I don’t think that even Waymo (which has thousands of vehicles that have gone much farther without human intervention) has met the criteria you’ve set.

More than a random Twitter feed and a news post from a company which is known to spread lies, that's for sure.

1. https://www.thedrive.com/opinion/40604/five-things-my-roomba...

How about if a guy who wrote an article titled Five Things My Roomba Does Better Than My Tesla[1] later drove across the country without intervening?[2] Unless all three people in the car are lying, it seems like an independent example of going thousands of miles without intervening.

2. https://www.thedrive.com/news/a-tesla-actually-drove-itself-...

UltraSane 67 days ago

cryptographically signed timestamped raw log data.

electriclove 67 days ago

Ok, try it yourself with a new HW4 and you will see.

I've ridden in Teslas many times operating in "FSD" (read: not fully, and not self, driving), nearly every time its made some kind of moving violation including nearly hitting a pedestrian. No thanks.

I heard the same thing in 2019, HW3 solved all the issues, it finally just works as advertised. That was after HW2 was guaranteed to ship with all the hardware needed for FSD a decade ago, for real this time.

I'll probably wait for HW5, then you'll tell me its really there. This time it won't even run people over, and it actually stops at stop signs more than just 98% of the time.

Personally I try and avoid systems that drive people in front of trains. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMqTmOTtft4

Mawr 67 days ago

> over 10,000 miles without intervening, including a cross-country trip.

You realize that a cross-country trip makes that achievement weaker, not stronger, right? That's just a bunch of highway driving, which is the easiest to automate and will have you racking up a lot of miles quickly.

City driving is the real test, not driving a milion miles in a straight line.

expedition32 67 days ago

I am interested to see how Tesla is going to drive in Dutch cities.

I will give car makers the benefit of the doubt: it is difficult to simulate real traffic. You can't do real life tests with teenagers on bicycles.

bastawhiz 67 days ago

This is so far removed from my personal lived experience that it's almost laughable. The auto park on Tesla is an accident waiting to happen.