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by JasonADrury 108 days ago
I feel like you're just repeating my point here rather than criticizing my argument in any way.

Why should anyone be opposed to you living in Russia?

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Because I’d have been used as a cannon fodder in the war in Ukraine. And then you’d criticize me for being a Russian soldier.

Anyway your argument is bad in multiple layers, I don’t have any other passport and I live in a home that is younger than 80 years as most Israelis do

> I don’t have any other passport

You don't need one, it is very easy to emigrate to many western countries as an Israeli passport holder. There's also a chance you qualify for one of the EU citizenship schemes for jewish descendants. You don't have to choose to live in an apartheid state.

At least if you only held a Russian passport you could plausibly claim that it's somewhat difficult to move anywhere nice.

> I live in a home that is younger than 80 years as most Israelis do

I guess that makes it better. Truly, a shining example of Israeli moral superiority.

I can easily find ownership records going back more than 500 years for the land I live on. Odds are it'd be trivial to go even further.

What about the land you live on? Who owned it 100 years ago and how'd it end up in your possession? How do you think those records would tend to look in Israel? What kind of stories do you think they would tell? Would it be a good look for Israeli people?

My grand grandparent had a factory and a mansion in Poland , which was stolen by the nazis. My family moved with 0 assets to Israel to rebuild themselves. Will you please pay me the sum lost with dividends so I can return to Poland?
The entire continent of North America changed hands in the last 250 years many European lands changed hands in the last 150 years, some Israeli lands changed hands in the last 80 years, why should only we open our records?
The Palestinian people exist and have very real and justified grievances.

There's hardly anything comparable in Europe.

The Romani people. Perhaps even Jews, depending on attitudes towards Israel.

Probably other groups who are even less visible, so we don't know about the challenges they face. The 19th century push for nation states has marginalized and tried to erase many groups.

I think it's pretty telling how Europeans treat those people now, and how Israeli people treat Palestinians today.

Some of us learned to be better.

Ok, I’m for building them a better future, we’re on agreement in that
Do you disagree that there's a good chance that by choosing to live and pay taxes in Israel you're going to have a net negative effect on the future of the Palestinians over your lifetime?
Oh Drop down from your high horse, let’s ask you what have you done for example for the environment have you quit your job to join a cause to for the environment? Have you stopped buying things from china? Have you completely stopped consuming fast fashion?

I won’t leave my friends and family and rather fight for the values of this country from here

> I won’t leave my friends and family and rather fight for the values of this country from here

The nazis justified the holocaust as a "defense of their values" as well.

Nazi values are not my values, nor is any sort of death
I can't commment on your values because I don't know you but I can confidently say that zionist values are nazi values. Just listen to your own government leaders like Ben gvir or likund writings. literally word for word sounds like something Hitler and leaders of the nazi party would have said with [search replace arayan -> jew.]

here's some quotes. please tell me, hitler or gvir

"We have to speak honestly. That there are many, many ___ – I didn't say all the ___, but a lot of __ who are not loyal to the ____. Undoubtedly, their vote is endangering ____, … Any normal country would not let them vote. Unfortunately, we are allowing hundreds of thousands of people who are disloyal to ____ to vote in the elections... "

"I am unequivocally against executing the ____ murderer of ____ and in favor of killing the ____ murderers of _____"

"There are many ____ who are disloyal and those who are not loyal should not be here.""

>Oh Drop down from your high horse, let’s ask you what have you done for example for the environment have you quit your job to join a cause to for the environment? Have you stopped buying things from china? Have you completely stopped consuming fast fashion?

I hope this particularly weak whataboutism helps you feel better about your indefensible moral position.

> fight for the values of this country from here

Apartheid being one of the core values worth fighting for, apparently.

Haha you literally asking me to leave my roots and friends and family and I have a weak arguments? Your arguments detached from reality.

I cut my salary to be involved politically, I believe in a future of peace. You can rest assured I engage in what’s right far more than you

> I believe in a future of peace

What does that look like to you?

I'm sure Hamas would say the same, it's just about how that peace is reached and how it looks like in the end. The typical Israeli vision of peace isn't any better than the typical Palestinian vision of peace.

> Why should anyone be opposed to you living in Russia?

I don't know. Why did the Cossacks oppose Jews living in Russia?