[JasonADrury]

> I believe in a future of peace

What does that look like to you?

I'm sure Hamas would say the same, it's just about how that peace is reached and how it looks like in the end. The typical Israeli vision of peace isn't any better than the typical Palestinian vision of peace.

[null_deref]

I’m not a politician nor all the information is available to me on what can be done and what not

My moral compass says the following - 1. First of all securing our own democracy from all the internal authoritarian movements 2. Creating a situation were any Palestinian can live respectfully, feed their family and get education

From there state decision should be far more easier.

[cultofmetatron]

> 1. First of all securing our own democracy from all the internal authoritarian movements

perfectly reasonable ask. 3 years ago, I would have been perfectly fine if they demonstrated interest in that. Instead we have people like Ben gvir openly spout ethnosupremacist vitriol that would make hitler blush. Now my instagram is full of that man touring prisons where he brags about executing people who clearly show signs of torture. (and this is what they are COMFORTABLE SHOWING) between that and his approval ratings (60% of israelis want to relocate Palestinians somewhere else Its clear that the whole society is rotten from the top down.

frankly, I just want this madness to end.

[JasonADrury]

> First of all securing our own democracy from all the internal authoritarian movements

Is that possible? Especially given the birth rate differences between the genuine religious nutjobs and normal people?

[halflife]

Peace for Hamas is eradicating all the Jews.

Peace for Israelis is coexistence. Look at egypt or Jordan for reference.

[JasonADrury]

So why hasn't Israel just been granting all Palestinians citizenship?

It's not really about coexistence, is it? Rather than existing together, it's at best about existing separately.

>Peace for Hamas is eradicating all the Jews.

Which is a perfectly natural position considering the historic relationship here.

[halflife]

Why? First of all, we tried to give citizenship to Palestinians in East Jerusalem, they refuse.

Second, are you suggesting to annex Gaza and th West Bank, and giving them citizenship? That means the come election, Hamas would be the biggest party in the Knesset, revoke all democratic rights, and create a sharia state. That will be the end of the only democracy in the Middle East.

[JasonADrury]

So Palestinians who effectively live under Israeli governance shouldn't be given a vote because their political opinions are wrong in your opinion?

[halflife]

What do you mean by effectively under Israeli governance? In Jerusalem they refuse citizenship. In the West Bank they are Palestinian citizens, in Gaza they are Gazan citizens, not my fault that both sides chose a dictatorship 20 years ago.