[null_deref]

Oh Drop down from your high horse, let’s ask you what have you done for example for the environment have you quit your job to join a cause to for the environment? Have you stopped buying things from china? Have you completely stopped consuming fast fashion?

I won’t leave my friends and family and rather fight for the values of this country from here

[cultofmetatron]

> I won’t leave my friends and family and rather fight for the values of this country from here

The nazis justified the holocaust as a "defense of their values" as well.

[null_deref]

Nazi values are not my values, nor is any sort of death

[cultofmetatron]

I can't commment on your values because I don't know you but I can confidently say that zionist values are nazi values. Just listen to your own government leaders like Ben gvir or likund writings. literally word for word sounds like something Hitler and leaders of the nazi party would have said with [search replace arayan -> jew.]

here's some quotes. please tell me, hitler or gvir

"We have to speak honestly. That there are many, many ___ – I didn't say all the ___, but a lot of __ who are not loyal to the ____. Undoubtedly, their vote is endangering ____, … Any normal country would not let them vote. Unfortunately, we are allowing hundreds of thousands of people who are disloyal to ____ to vote in the elections... "

"I am unequivocally against executing the ____ murderer of ____ and in favor of killing the ____ murderers of _____"

"There are many ____ who are disloyal and those who are not loyal should not be here.""

[null_deref]

Marine La Pen has almost won the elections in France? Is all French society rotten?

[JasonADrury]

I rather dislike her, but on it's worst day a Marine Le Pen-led government in France wouldn't even come close to doing anything nearly as bad as Israel does every day.

[null_deref]

That’s not because French society is different than Israeli society, it’s because French society cards are much better. It has far more stable economy and political system because of hundreds of years of colonialism and wars in Europe which render France the Resourceful state which it is today, if Marine La Pen could rise to almost win the election because of migration imagine what could happen if France was surrounded with states that host militants that want to anhilate it and stand attacks like the 7th of October (1,200 killed and raped in one day + parts of the country occupied for couple of days). Instead you chose to sit in your high horse attributed to you by previous generations that looted and killed anything in sight and after that somehow built a liberal society you have contributed nothing to, and you then ask me to leave my country instead of recognizing liberal people exist in both sides of the Israeli Palestinian conflict and they’re your allies

[JasonADrury]

>Oh Drop down from your high horse, let’s ask you what have you done for example for the environment have you quit your job to join a cause to for the environment? Have you stopped buying things from china? Have you completely stopped consuming fast fashion?

I hope this particularly weak whataboutism helps you feel better about your indefensible moral position.

> fight for the values of this country from here

Apartheid being one of the core values worth fighting for, apparently.

[null_deref]

Haha you literally asking me to leave my roots and friends and family and I have a weak arguments? Your arguments detached from reality.

I cut my salary to be involved politically, I believe in a future of peace. You can rest assured I engage in what’s right far more than you

[JasonADrury]

> I believe in a future of peace

What does that look like to you?

I'm sure Hamas would say the same, it's just about how that peace is reached and how it looks like in the end. The typical Israeli vision of peace isn't any better than the typical Palestinian vision of peace.

[null_deref]

I’m not a politician nor all the information is available to me on what can be done and what not

My moral compass says the following - 1. First of all securing our own democracy from all the internal authoritarian movements 2. Creating a situation were any Palestinian can live respectfully, feed their family and get education

From there state decision should be far more easier.

[cultofmetatron]

> 1. First of all securing our own democracy from all the internal authoritarian movements

perfectly reasonable ask. 3 years ago, I would have been perfectly fine if they demonstrated interest in that. Instead we have people like Ben gvir openly spout ethnosupremacist vitriol that would make hitler blush. Now my instagram is full of that man touring prisons where he brags about executing people who clearly show signs of torture. (and this is what they are COMFORTABLE SHOWING) between that and his approval ratings (60% of israelis want to relocate Palestinians somewhere else Its clear that the whole society is rotten from the top down.

frankly, I just want this madness to end.

[JasonADrury]

> First of all securing our own democracy from all the internal authoritarian movements

Is that possible? Especially given the birth rate differences between the genuine religious nutjobs and normal people?

[halflife]

Peace for Hamas is eradicating all the Jews.

Peace for Israelis is coexistence. Look at egypt or Jordan for reference.

[JasonADrury]

So why hasn't Israel just been granting all Palestinians citizenship?

It's not really about coexistence, is it? Rather than existing together, it's at best about existing separately.

>Peace for Hamas is eradicating all the Jews.

Which is a perfectly natural position considering the historic relationship here.

[halflife]

Why? First of all, we tried to give citizenship to Palestinians in East Jerusalem, they refuse.

Second, are you suggesting to annex Gaza and th West Bank, and giving them citizenship? That means the come election, Hamas would be the biggest party in the Knesset, revoke all democratic rights, and create a sharia state. That will be the end of the only democracy in the Middle East.