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by null_deref 106 days ago
Israel is 80 years old, I was born here and I’m 25 years old. The funny thing is my parents immigrated from Russia so you probably won’t want me there either (me too). Your argument is bad.
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I feel like you're just repeating my point here rather than criticizing my argument in any way.

Why should anyone be opposed to you living in Russia?

Because I’d have been used as a cannon fodder in the war in Ukraine. And then you’d criticize me for being a Russian soldier.

Anyway your argument is bad in multiple layers, I don’t have any other passport and I live in a home that is younger than 80 years as most Israelis do

> I don’t have any other passport

You don't need one, it is very easy to emigrate to many western countries as an Israeli passport holder. There's also a chance you qualify for one of the EU citizenship schemes for jewish descendants. You don't have to choose to live in an apartheid state.

At least if you only held a Russian passport you could plausibly claim that it's somewhat difficult to move anywhere nice.

> I live in a home that is younger than 80 years as most Israelis do

I guess that makes it better. Truly, a shining example of Israeli moral superiority.

I can easily find ownership records going back more than 500 years for the land I live on. Odds are it'd be trivial to go even further.

What about the land you live on? Who owned it 100 years ago and how'd it end up in your possession? How do you think those records would tend to look in Israel? What kind of stories do you think they would tell? Would it be a good look for Israeli people?

My grand grandparent had a factory and a mansion in Poland , which was stolen by the nazis. My family moved with 0 assets to Israel to rebuild themselves. Will you please pay me the sum lost with dividends so I can return to Poland?
The entire continent of North America changed hands in the last 250 years many European lands changed hands in the last 150 years, some Israeli lands changed hands in the last 80 years, why should only we open our records?
The Palestinian people exist and have very real and justified grievances.

There's hardly anything comparable in Europe.

The Romani people. Perhaps even Jews, depending on attitudes towards Israel.

Probably other groups who are even less visible, so we don't know about the challenges they face. The 19th century push for nation states has marginalized and tried to erase many groups.

Ok, I’m for building them a better future, we’re on agreement in that
Oh Drop down from your high horse, let’s ask you what have you done for example for the environment have you quit your job to join a cause to for the environment? Have you stopped buying things from china? Have you completely stopped consuming fast fashion?

I won’t leave my friends and family and rather fight for the values of this country from here

> I won’t leave my friends and family and rather fight for the values of this country from here

The nazis justified the holocaust as a "defense of their values" as well.

Nazi values are not my values, nor is any sort of death
>Oh Drop down from your high horse, let’s ask you what have you done for example for the environment have you quit your job to join a cause to for the environment? Have you stopped buying things from china? Have you completely stopped consuming fast fashion?

I hope this particularly weak whataboutism helps you feel better about your indefensible moral position.

> fight for the values of this country from here

Apartheid being one of the core values worth fighting for, apparently.

Haha you literally asking me to leave my roots and friends and family and I have a weak arguments? Your arguments detached from reality.

I cut my salary to be involved politically, I believe in a future of peace. You can rest assured I engage in what’s right far more than you

> Why should anyone be opposed to you living in Russia?

I don't know. Why did the Cossacks oppose Jews living in Russia?

Founded 80 years ago on stolen land.
Your parents "immigrated" from Russia to steal land. You should be blaming your parents. Your argument is bad.
Is this what every American tell themselves when they wake up in the morning? Or that what every Arab says to himself outside of Yemen, Saudi and Oman?
Yes every morning I wake up and think, why are my tax dollars going towards a parasitic entity who has taken complete control over our government to fight it's wars for them when we can barely afford basic necessities at home.
So Texas should be returned to Mexico, right?
This works so much better when there are living people who care.
So we just need to wait until people stop caring?
Yeah that Venezuela, Iraq and Afghanistan things are definitive proof all Americans wars are fought because of Israel