[JCattheATM]

Original comment said:

> We need a third alternative, based on freedom with your device.

We does not refer only to HN users, and there is no implication as such.

The default assumption is that 'we' refers to the general population.

However, even if I'm charitable and go with your assumption that 'we' referred to HN users, I will confidently say most HN users also don't care about FSF approval.

> See also: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46569163

You like to post a lot of HN links without ever giving an indication of what they point to. As a habit, I don't waste my time clicking random links that people post without context.

[fsflover]

Most HN users don't know about the alternatives, just like the public. If you say that those who know don't care, I will ask you for some evidence.

In my linked post I explain why the public doesn't matter at this point of time. Also I explain that the public doesn't need the alternative before it works flawlessly, i.e., before it becomes popular among technical users.

[JCattheATM]

> Most HN users don't know about the alternatives, just like the public.

That's a rather ridiculous assumption on your part. As a tech-literate crowd, it's quite likely they are aware of them, if for no other reason those alternatives make the front page semi-frequently.

> If you say that those who know don't care, I will ask you for some evidence.

As soon as you provide evidence for the premises for your argument. As my position is simply saying yours is false, the onus is on you to support yours.

> "we" are aware of the problem and care about the freedom.

Sure, maybe, but caring about freedom isn't the same as caring about FSF approved software.

[fsflover]

My evidence is simple. Topics about outrageous actions by Apple and Google appear on HN almost weekly. Almost every time somebody in the comments suggests that we should have a third alternative. And practically never anybody, except myself, mentions Librem 5 and Pinephone.

[JCattheATM]

Your "evidence" is nothing more than your own personal anecdotes, and even then they don't support your conclusion. If people keep asking for alternatives, and this crowd obviously knows about the FSF and continually discount your FSF approved suggestions, then clearly they do not care for them.

[fsflover]

> and this crowd obviously knows about the FSF

Even in the news related to FSF, people didn't mention the Librem phone: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45589096

> Your "evidence" is nothing more than your own personal anecdotes

Do I have to list all recent smartphone-related discussions for you? I participated in most of them. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=2&prefix=false&qu...

I see that you're not interested in further discussion and prefer to just dismiss all my arguments.

[JCattheATM]

> Even in the news related to FSF, people didn't mention the Librem phone:

Because people don't care. It isn't good enough for most peoples needs. You only push it because of your hyperfixation on free software, but most people balance caring about free software with other concerns.

> I participated in most of them.

And you think that makes your evidence not anecdotal?

> prefer to just dismiss all my arguments.

I'm saying your evidence is poor and your reasoning is shoddy and explained why. I'm not dismissing out of hand or for no reason.