[fsflover]

My evidence is simple. Topics about outrageous actions by Apple and Google appear on HN almost weekly. Almost every time somebody in the comments suggests that we should have a third alternative. And practically never anybody, except myself, mentions Librem 5 and Pinephone.

[JCattheATM]

Your "evidence" is nothing more than your own personal anecdotes, and even then they don't support your conclusion. If people keep asking for alternatives, and this crowd obviously knows about the FSF and continually discount your FSF approved suggestions, then clearly they do not care for them.

[fsflover]

> and this crowd obviously knows about the FSF

Even in the news related to FSF, people didn't mention the Librem phone: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45589096

> Your "evidence" is nothing more than your own personal anecdotes

Do I have to list all recent smartphone-related discussions for you? I participated in most of them. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=2&prefix=false&qu...

I see that you're not interested in further discussion and prefer to just dismiss all my arguments.

[JCattheATM]

> Even in the news related to FSF, people didn't mention the Librem phone:

Because people don't care. It isn't good enough for most peoples needs. You only push it because of your hyperfixation on free software, but most people balance caring about free software with other concerns.

> I participated in most of them.

And you think that makes your evidence not anecdotal?

> prefer to just dismiss all my arguments.

I'm saying your evidence is poor and your reasoning is shoddy and explained why. I'm not dismissing out of hand or for no reason.

[fsflover]

>> people didn't mention the Librem phone

> Because people don't care.

Now, you made a statement without even anecdotal evidence. I received quite a few upvotes for that comments, indicating that people do care. Nobody said they didn't care. Yes, it's anecdotal evidence.

>> I participated in most of them.

> And you think that makes your evidence not anecdotal?

It might be anecdotal. You are free to count how many other people commented on Librem 5 yourself and disprove my claim.

[JCattheATM]

> Now, you made a statement without even anecdotal evidence.

Kind of...as I said rpeviosuly your evidence actually supports my point, but even if you disagreed, I'm refuting your positive claim, not making a positice claim of my own. The onus is on you alone to support your claim.

> I received quite a few upvotes for that comments, indicating that people do care. Nobody said they didn't care.

Sure - the point was most people don't care.

> You are free to count how many other people commented on Librem 5 yourself and disprove my claim.

Pretty easy, just look at the ratio of votes in the last 10 threads you advocate for those phones in, where you maybe get 2 or 3 which is very low compared to the amount of comments and commenters, and then look at the amount of comments you get expressing a negative opinion. You get more negative and neutral feedback combined than positive feedback, indicating people don't care generally or if they do, it's to disagree with you.

This is what the evidence shows.

[fsflover]

Such prevalence of negativity may have a different reason than not caring: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46513215