[JCattheATM]

> Even in the news related to FSF, people didn't mention the Librem phone:

Because people don't care. It isn't good enough for most peoples needs. You only push it because of your hyperfixation on free software, but most people balance caring about free software with other concerns.

> I participated in most of them.

And you think that makes your evidence not anecdotal?

> prefer to just dismiss all my arguments.

I'm saying your evidence is poor and your reasoning is shoddy and explained why. I'm not dismissing out of hand or for no reason.

[fsflover]

>> people didn't mention the Librem phone

> Because people don't care.

Now, you made a statement without even anecdotal evidence. I received quite a few upvotes for that comments, indicating that people do care. Nobody said they didn't care. Yes, it's anecdotal evidence.

>> I participated in most of them.

> And you think that makes your evidence not anecdotal?

It might be anecdotal. You are free to count how many other people commented on Librem 5 yourself and disprove my claim.

[JCattheATM]

> Now, you made a statement without even anecdotal evidence.

Kind of...as I said rpeviosuly your evidence actually supports my point, but even if you disagreed, I'm refuting your positive claim, not making a positice claim of my own. The onus is on you alone to support your claim.

> I received quite a few upvotes for that comments, indicating that people do care. Nobody said they didn't care.

Sure - the point was most people don't care.

> You are free to count how many other people commented on Librem 5 yourself and disprove my claim.

Pretty easy, just look at the ratio of votes in the last 10 threads you advocate for those phones in, where you maybe get 2 or 3 which is very low compared to the amount of comments and commenters, and then look at the amount of comments you get expressing a negative opinion. You get more negative and neutral feedback combined than positive feedback, indicating people don't care generally or if they do, it's to disagree with you.

This is what the evidence shows.

[fsflover]

Such prevalence of negativity may have a different reason than not caring: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46513215

[JCattheATM]

Maybe, but that wouldn't explain the disproportionate lack of votes and replies, both of which also indicate a lack of interest.

[fsflover]

Some of such articles and comments do get a lot of upvotes and positive attention, if they get to the main page:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21656355

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25142405

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45053872

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25504641

Even not very well-written or globally relevant articles on the topic of mobile freedom attract a lot of attention:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44193198#44193459

[JCattheATM]

From your first link the top comment says:

> I do not have a particularly strong trust for the (modern) FSF, so their validation adds nothing, IMHO,

Most upvoted reply says:

> having FSF validation doesn't prove anything but rather may be detrimental,

The second link no one is discussing the FSF certification at all, one guy mentioned it in passing and every other hit for 'fsf' is from your username.

Third link only hits for 'fsf' are from your username.

Final link 'fsf' returns no hits.

I think you are conflating interest in an open source and/or free phone with something FSF approved. My claim above was that most people don't care about an FSF approved phone, and your links here don't show otherwise.

I agree there is an interest in an open alternative to Android/iPhone, but that doesn't require FSF approval.