[SpicyLemonZest]

Again, this concept of "newly assigned martyr" you have is not something that fell from heaven fully formed. It was shaped and given to you by what you call "power centers" - ones which are currently running the United States government! - because they think this framing is beneficial to them. I'm going to stop the conversation here before I start coming up with unwise insults, because it's just infuriating that you can't turn this critical eye on yourself and the informational warfare you're subject to.

[iugtmkbdfil834]

Who says I can't? In any event, before you go, why, exactly, is it infuriating?

[SpicyLemonZest]

What's infuriating is that you are acting as an agent of the government, defending their murder of a random citizen, but perceive yourself and frame yourself as a dispassionate observer who's interested in the media dynamics of how different descriptors get attached to people. I don't know if you started off like this, or if you're so deep in DHS propaganda that you can't find your way out, and right now I don't care to find out.

[iugtmkbdfil834]

The difference between us that I know exactly what ( and even why ) I advocate for: keeping the system stable.

<< random citizen

She was a not some random citizen; I would have been addressing it differently if that was the case. Now, if you have a stomach for it, we can go over what kind of citizen she was.

[goatlover]

Sounds like, "What kind of American are you?" from the Jesse Plemmons character in the Alex Garland Civil War movie.

Shouldn't the fact that ICE shot a woman trying to leave the scene be enough?

[iugtmkbdfil834]

<< Sounds like, "What kind of American are you?" from the Jesse Plemmons character in the Alex Garland Civil War movie.

You see what you want to see, which is kinda revealing if you ask me.

<< Shouldn't the fact that ICE shot a woman trying to leave the scene be enough?

No. It is not enough. Reasonable person would be unlikely to find themselves in that position, which begs a simple question:

What was her reason for being there?

If you can answer that, we can start having a conversation. Until then, she is not some rando at the wrong place at the wrong time.

[SpicyLemonZest]

I fundamentally disagree that ICE deserves that presumption. They have repeatedly demonstrated themselves to be unreasonable people who want to hurt others. I'm sure there's a story they'll tell about why it was totally legal to shoot her, but they're murderers and you're supporting murderers until they prove that there was she was doing something so terrible they had no choice.

[steele]

What kind of citizen was she, comrade?

[iugtmkbdfil834]

Friend, we are not comrades. Still, good luck out there. I am no longer engaging in this topic.