[SpicyLemonZest]

What's infuriating is that you are acting as an agent of the government, defending their murder of a random citizen, but perceive yourself and frame yourself as a dispassionate observer who's interested in the media dynamics of how different descriptors get attached to people. I don't know if you started off like this, or if you're so deep in DHS propaganda that you can't find your way out, and right now I don't care to find out.

[iugtmkbdfil834]

The difference between us that I know exactly what ( and even why ) I advocate for: keeping the system stable.

<< random citizen

She was a not some random citizen; I would have been addressing it differently if that was the case. Now, if you have a stomach for it, we can go over what kind of citizen she was.

[goatlover]

Sounds like, "What kind of American are you?" from the Jesse Plemmons character in the Alex Garland Civil War movie.

Shouldn't the fact that ICE shot a woman trying to leave the scene be enough?

[iugtmkbdfil834]

<< Sounds like, "What kind of American are you?" from the Jesse Plemmons character in the Alex Garland Civil War movie.

You see what you want to see, which is kinda revealing if you ask me.

<< Shouldn't the fact that ICE shot a woman trying to leave the scene be enough?

No. It is not enough. Reasonable person would be unlikely to find themselves in that position, which begs a simple question:

What was her reason for being there?

If you can answer that, we can start having a conversation. Until then, she is not some rando at the wrong place at the wrong time.

[SpicyLemonZest]

I fundamentally disagree that ICE deserves that presumption. They have repeatedly demonstrated themselves to be unreasonable people who want to hurt others. I'm sure there's a story they'll tell about why it was totally legal to shoot her, but they're murderers and you're supporting murderers until they prove that there was she was doing something so terrible they had no choice.

[iugtmkbdfil834]

Hm, as with taxes, do we get to choose which federal enforcement agency we are willing to submit to? Not going to lie man, it is a fascinating frame of mind to me and I am absolutely willing to talk to you about it if you wanna go that route.

<< but they're murderers and you're supporting murderers until they prove

This is not exactly how any of it works, at all. I am not being difficult man, but I don't get to, say, block FBI caravan, because I don't think they deserve 'that' presumption ( quotation, because I am not certain what it refers to ).

I similarly don't get to tell DEA, ATF, and multiple other agencies to just fuck off, especially if I encounter them in the wild.. doubly so, if I was attempting to track them that day..

The real question then becomes:

Why do you think you get to pick and choose, who can enforce the laws of the land upon you?

More importantly, whose authority would you accept?

[SpicyLemonZest]

They just shot another couple in Portland. I get to tell them, and you, to fuck off as much as I'd like. I encourage you to get on board with the right side of this issue while you have the chance.

[steele]

What kind of citizen was she, comrade?

[iugtmkbdfil834]

Friend, we are not comrades. Still, good luck out there. I am no longer engaging in this topic.