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by iugtmkbdfil834 166 days ago
The difference between us that I know exactly what ( and even why ) I advocate for: keeping the system stable.

<< random citizen

She was a not some random citizen; I would have been addressing it differently if that was the case. Now, if you have a stomach for it, we can go over what kind of citizen she was.
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goatlover 166 days ago
Sounds like, "What kind of American are you?" from the Jesse Plemmons character in the Alex Garland Civil War movie.

Shouldn't the fact that ICE shot a woman trying to leave the scene be enough?

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iugtmkbdfil834 166 days ago
<< Sounds like, "What kind of American are you?" from the Jesse Plemmons character in the Alex Garland Civil War movie.

You see what you want to see, which is kinda revealing if you ask me.

<< Shouldn't the fact that ICE shot a woman trying to leave the scene be enough?

No. It is not enough. Reasonable person would be unlikely to find themselves in that position, which begs a simple question:

What was her reason for being there?

If you can answer that, we can start having a conversation. Until then, she is not some rando at the wrong place at the wrong time.

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SpicyLemonZest 166 days ago
I fundamentally disagree that ICE deserves that presumption. They have repeatedly demonstrated themselves to be unreasonable people who want to hurt others. I'm sure there's a story they'll tell about why it was totally legal to shoot her, but they're murderers and you're supporting murderers until they prove that there was she was doing something so terrible they had no choice.
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iugtmkbdfil834 166 days ago
Hm, as with taxes, do we get to choose which federal enforcement agency we are willing to submit to? Not going to lie man, it is a fascinating frame of mind to me and I am absolutely willing to talk to you about it if you wanna go that route.

<< but they're murderers and you're supporting murderers until they prove

This is not exactly how any of it works, at all. I am not being difficult man, but I don't get to, say, block FBI caravan, because I don't think they deserve 'that' presumption ( quotation, because I am not certain what it refers to ).

I similarly don't get to tell DEA, ATF, and multiple other agencies to just fuck off, especially if I encounter them in the wild.. doubly so, if I was attempting to track them that day..

The real question then becomes:

Why do you think you get to pick and choose, who can enforce the laws of the land upon you?

More importantly, whose authority would you accept?

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SpicyLemonZest 166 days ago
They just shot another couple in Portland. I get to tell them, and you, to fuck off as much as I'd like. I encourage you to get on board with the right side of this issue while you have the chance.
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iugtmkbdfil834 166 days ago
<< while you have the chance.

Good luck out there friend. I am not sure what you meant to say, but it may be a good idea to stop here for both of us. I see no reason to continue this further.

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steele 166 days ago
What kind of citizen was she, comrade?
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iugtmkbdfil834 165 days ago
Friend, we are not comrades. Still, good luck out there. I am no longer engaging in this topic.
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