[mrtksn]

I know right? AI is in the uncanny valley still. But every now and then I stumble upon something made with AI.

I have no proof but I'm convinced that the song here is AI made: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hL1Fg1QnDig

I liked it but it still feels like AI to me.

[snypher]

I think it has to be. It's very similar to others[1].The channel has a SoundCloud link in it's description but this song isn't there.

[1] often being 'modern song lyrics set to a historical style of music'. I don't know how to describe them exactly but they feel 'wrong', in the same way AI text is hard to critique but feels wrong.

[JKCalhoun]

I think we're just going to have to get used to it. That is, just drop worrying too much about whether something is AI and just stop at whether you like it or not.

[mrtksn]

It doesn't work like that, art is a package. At this point it's interesting that AI can do these things but the momen it wears off it stops being worthwhile. Artist + AI as a tool is working fine I believe but stuff produced by people who don't have taste shows.

[JKCalhoun]

Well, that kind of bolsters my point though: if it sucks, hate it. Why invest so much energy and angst into whether it is AI or human?

[esafak]

Because trying to understand what the artist was thinking, saying, or trying to express is pointless if there is no artist.

[JKCalhoun]

I was making the opposite point — if you hate it, you hate it — regardless of whether it is AI or not.

You're having a problem with liking it only to find out later it is AI?

Again, live music is the way to go then. Also, artists I like the most have a body of work that I like. If AI can fake that — create a body of work I like, cam relate to ... well, I guess I have to give credit to the machine.

[butlike]

Well, I can 'hate' a piece of art but still appreciate it for its artistic merits. I can't if it's just random noise applied to mimic artistry.

[jhbadger]

I'm not sure there's a point to doing that with a lot of pop music, which is often written by committee to give to a pop star whose personality and looks are likewise crafted by other committees to attract a particular audience. The point is to make a successful product. It's romantic to imagine a tortured composer who creates music to express their damaged soul to the world and the like, but that's not what most music is.

[esafak]

You won't be surprised if I told you I don't listen to that either.

[BizarroLand]

Every time something comes along like this there's a revolt.

Photoshop.

First Analog synthesizers and then digital synthesizers.

Multitrack audio recording.

Digital Recording.

Autotune.

Vocaloids.

These things change the nature of the game and invalidate the labor of the people who used to be winners, and I get it.

If you take the money and the fame out of the equation, though, the point of art is not to become rich and famous, it's to communicate.

Eventually, we will find artists who are finally able to send in a way that others want to receive thanks to AI.

And there will be people like me and probably you that prefer to only hear what a human had to say straight from their own mouths. And that's fine. There are no walls.

[BizarroLand]

I mean, even the presence of the ability to overdub audio on a record let people cast aspersions on the "genuineness" of artists like KISS:

"“There is a lot of controversy about KISS’ ‘Alive!’ Did they play their own record or did they overdub? News Flash! You’re allowed to overdub! You’re allowed to do that. It’s not a crime. If you’re making an album and you want to overdub one part, that’s completely allowed, and everybody does it. "

https://rockcelebrities.net/sebastian-bach-addresses-the-ove...

Even modern musicians call studio composing "cheating"

"In a way it's kind of like cheating cause you can play stuff over and over again, and be like, no, that's bad, cut this, move it over, and then kind of fit the lyrics to it."

https://pitchfork.com/features/interview/6759-yeasayer/

Even Analog vs Digital records:

"Neil Young, who has been very expressive about analog vs digital and which digital medium he prefers. This undated quote is about cds:

“The mind has been tricked, but the heart is sad.”"

https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/quotes-from-musicians...

Like, you don't have to like it. That's fine.

But if there is art there, you should not dismiss it because of the tools used to make it.

Right now I imagine there is so close to no art from AI that it can be said that there is none at all.

I also imagine that will change in the next 20 years.

[JKCalhoun]

The Beach Boys (and others) having session musicians on their albums....

[gosub100]

I think there should be a legal mandate for truth in labelling just like there is on food. If I could, I would block all AI generated and TTS-voiced videos on YouTube. I don't want AI-generated anything. the fact that it's being forced on us from all angles is proof that it is no good.

[JKCalhoun]

Or whether any tools were used to retouch a photo?

We've been living in an age of artificiality for some time now.

[gosub100]

Retouching is not generation.

[JKCalhoun]

Good point. I'll allow that there is a distinction there to be made.

It's a bit slippery though. I think it was one of the Myst engineers that recently had 95% of a musical piece but was fumbling to come up with a satisfactory bridge. He leaned on AI and it knocked out the perfect bridge — one he was unsure why he hadn't thought of himself.

There might be gradations of AI assistance....

[SirMaster]

At what % of retouching a photo with a AI re-toucher tool makes it generation though?