[mrtksn]

It doesn't work like that, art is a package. At this point it's interesting that AI can do these things but the momen it wears off it stops being worthwhile. Artist + AI as a tool is working fine I believe but stuff produced by people who don't have taste shows.

[JKCalhoun]

Well, that kind of bolsters my point though: if it sucks, hate it. Why invest so much energy and angst into whether it is AI or human?

[esafak]

Because trying to understand what the artist was thinking, saying, or trying to express is pointless if there is no artist.

[JKCalhoun]

I was making the opposite point — if you hate it, you hate it — regardless of whether it is AI or not.

You're having a problem with liking it only to find out later it is AI?

Again, live music is the way to go then. Also, artists I like the most have a body of work that I like. If AI can fake that — create a body of work I like, cam relate to ... well, I guess I have to give credit to the machine.

[butlike]

Well, I can 'hate' a piece of art but still appreciate it for its artistic merits. I can't if it's just random noise applied to mimic artistry.

[JKCalhoun]

An interesting take. I guess I'm more shallow than that. I have to like an artist first to even be bothered to delve into the artistic merit behind their work.

I can see what you're saying though.

[jhbadger]

I'm not sure there's a point to doing that with a lot of pop music, which is often written by committee to give to a pop star whose personality and looks are likewise crafted by other committees to attract a particular audience. The point is to make a successful product. It's romantic to imagine a tortured composer who creates music to express their damaged soul to the world and the like, but that's not what most music is.

[esafak]

You won't be surprised if I told you I don't listen to that either.

[JKCalhoun]

Neither do I. Probably the bands I've fallen hardest for were R.E.M. in the mid 80's, the Pixies, the Muffs, Grandaddy…

It's frankly hard for me to imagine (perhaps either one of us) falling for an "AI artist" anyway.

[BizarroLand]

Every time something comes along like this there's a revolt.

Photoshop.

First Analog synthesizers and then digital synthesizers.

Multitrack audio recording.

Digital Recording.

Autotune.

Vocaloids.

These things change the nature of the game and invalidate the labor of the people who used to be winners, and I get it.

If you take the money and the fame out of the equation, though, the point of art is not to become rich and famous, it's to communicate.

Eventually, we will find artists who are finally able to send in a way that others want to receive thanks to AI.

And there will be people like me and probably you that prefer to only hear what a human had to say straight from their own mouths. And that's fine. There are no walls.

[BizarroLand]

I mean, even the presence of the ability to overdub audio on a record let people cast aspersions on the "genuineness" of artists like KISS:

"“There is a lot of controversy about KISS’ ‘Alive!’ Did they play their own record or did they overdub? News Flash! You’re allowed to overdub! You’re allowed to do that. It’s not a crime. If you’re making an album and you want to overdub one part, that’s completely allowed, and everybody does it. "

https://rockcelebrities.net/sebastian-bach-addresses-the-ove...

Even modern musicians call studio composing "cheating"

"In a way it's kind of like cheating cause you can play stuff over and over again, and be like, no, that's bad, cut this, move it over, and then kind of fit the lyrics to it."

https://pitchfork.com/features/interview/6759-yeasayer/

Even Analog vs Digital records:

"Neil Young, who has been very expressive about analog vs digital and which digital medium he prefers. This undated quote is about cds:

“The mind has been tricked, but the heart is sad.”"

https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/quotes-from-musicians...

Like, you don't have to like it. That's fine.

But if there is art there, you should not dismiss it because of the tools used to make it.

Right now I imagine there is so close to no art from AI that it can be said that there is none at all.

I also imagine that will change in the next 20 years.

[JKCalhoun]

The Beach Boys (and others) having session musicians on their albums....