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by Protostome 462 days ago
There are so many accounts of Hamas militants executing innocent people from that event. Here is one: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67105618

Here is two: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/videos/toi-original/watc...

Should I go on? There are so many... I think it holds water pretty well, doesn't it?

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That's one video with material from the Nova festival, and no, as you can see, the palestinian ran after them for quite some distance rather than just kill them. It is unclear whether he tried to take hostages or not.

I've also explained that this event was unorganised and spontaneous, it wasn't an organised resistance activity such as I meant above.

To me this material prompts the wish for justice, with due process and so on, but you apparently believe it excuses occupation and genocide. I don't think we'll reach common ground here, in part because you also seem to think it should be fine to go on a molly roll next to a concentration camp and not risk harm.

No use arguing with such a hateful person, but other people can easily see what Gaza was before they launched their genocide against Jews on October 7: https://x.com/imshin https://t.me/ImshinJ

Check how does "concentration camp" look before Hamas started a war at expense of the peaceful population on both sides. There are many "Before October 7" videos on there, all with timestamps and sources from clips that Gazans publish themselves. Luxury villas, luxury cars, cute restaurants and good life all around. Also very sick children were routinly treated in Israeli hospitals for free. The main obstacle for poor Gazans was Hamas and their governing. Hamas also managed to smuggle enough concrete to build a tunnel system bigger than NY subway, instead of pumping these resources into Gazan society.

Genocide denial and denial of state atrocities are illegal in some jurisdictions. Are you sure this is a risk you're willing to take?

At October 7th the Gaza strip was under occupation, with the population on the verge of starvation. That is not peaceful. It was also the deadliest year in a long time for palestinians in the occupied West Bank. An openly genocidal, kahanist-likudnik government had taken power in Israel.

Whatever "luxuries" got into the Gaza strip came through the smuggling network. And either way, armed resistance to occupation is a right. I'd argue it should be under apartheid as well.

again, there is documented video footage of good life, better than in most arab countries in the region. the fact you refuse to believe reality goes well with everything that you spew out.

and defense is a real right, unlike terrorism, if you pick violence, the other side will defend itself - so you are just glorifying more death, and are blind to your bloodlust, which is disgusting.

The occupier is the aggressor. ICJ published an advisory opinion last summer. Palestinian armed resistance is legitimate, within the limits of international law.
most basic thing the international law requires is for combatants to wear a uniform (a major reason why hamas is to blame for deaths of palestinian civilians), not to mention indiscriminate targeting of civilians, hostage taking, rape and torture, use of religious, medical and educational facilities for war purposes and more or less anything that is called armed resistance represents.
hey, you, no need to threaten me, south africa doesnt stand a chance and your blood libel will soon bust when this ridiculous allegation will be put to a side. you are a hate mongerer and a liar, i am disgusted by you.
Calling the oct 7 terrorist attacks a genocide against the Jews it at best hyperbolic and at worst an apologia for an actual genocide. Your second paragraph makes me fear you are doing the latter.

I don’t think you realize just how hateful your post actually is. You are trying to paint a picture of victims of genocide that somehow deserved the horrors done against them, or at best denies the very real horrors another state is inflicting upon them.

This kind of speech has no place on a tech forum.

lies and hate inciting against jews do, from your perspective I guess?

let me ask this - are you from the region? Have you been to middle east?

What does that matter?

After months and years of the Khmer Rouge doing the Cambodian Genocide, and after most international experts and commentators (except Noam Chomsky for some reason) concluded that the Cambodian genocide was in fact a genocide. Non-south-east Asians were still allowed to hold opinion on it. And further more, if somebody (like Noam Chomsky) would be spewing apologia for the Cambodian genocide, more people than just South-east Asians were allowed to call it out as such.

Edit: Attaching the relevant Wikipedia article - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian_genocide_denial

I just think you don’t know what you are talking about, not that you aren’t entitled to hold an opinion. You are spewing lies and hate, and the reason is your ignorance. None of the Palestinians who seek peace will agree with anything you typed out here. They understand really well that there are two foul players – Hamas and Religious Settlers (and Bibi who plays to their tune) and they seek ways to establish bridges with Israelis (just like Israelis do with Palestinians). But you have no idea about any of that, because you read Wikipedia, and BBC and random click-baiting press.
Yep ... I gave up too. No use in debating someone on the actual facts.