[ryandrake]

This isn't a football problem, it's a "company has way too much power" problem. It's as if Coca-Cola were allowed to tell my water company to turn off my tap water for a few hours because I should be drinking their soda at lunchtime.

[imachine1980_]

this literally happens in mexico, monterrey in 2022 during biggest drought in the century, public supply was shut down while coca-cola keep producing soft drink from that reservoir, they end-up give some percentage back after a protest.

https://www.jornada.com.mx/2022/08/06/estados/022n1est

[ryandrake]

Wow, I try to come up with an exaggerated hypothetical and it turns out to be a real example. We live in a ridiculous world.

[throw0101c]

> We live in a ridiculous world.

Let The Market™ decide on access to drinking water:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_privatization

[latentsea]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank_Girl_(film)

[cluckindan]

Look up artisanal oil refining.

[HaZeust]

That's why I haven't taken life so seriously and been as uptight about things in recent years; because life sure as hell doesn't take us serious lol

[sandy_coyote]

I need to try out this line on my manager in stand-up later today.

[HaZeust]

Yes, that'll get you right.

[thaumasiotes]

Your hypothetical involved Coca-Cola directing the service cutoff. It doesn't sound like that was real.

[create-username]

We live in societies where private corporations are

[r00fus]

Late-stage capitalism - the future is now.

[Retric]

That’s not literally the same thing, it was a protest over them for not “connect wells of their property to the public service supply network.”

Which isn’t something I’d want random companies to be doing, and a figurative drop in the bucket.

[int_19h]

It's the same aquifer though, right?

[Retric]

If the factory had simply shut down without hooking up their infrastructure, the area still would have had the exact same short term issues.

The issue was arguably a lack of wells in an extreme situation, not a lack of water in the aquifer.

[pstuart]

Aquifers are not infinite in capacity, so it's a valid point.

[Retric]

Again not what this was about.

If the area can’t support the factories water use then shut down the factory permanently. Wanting to hook up to its infrastructure is all about a lack of public infrastructure.

Many aquifers are over used, but that’s a long term problem and has nothing to do with a drought in a single year.

[NewJazz]

One drop in an empty bucket is infinitely more water.

[Retric]

> One drop in an empty bucket is infinitely more water.

No multiply 0 by infinity and you don’t get one drop, ie 1/0 is undefined.

Further it wasn’t an empty bucket.

[catlikesshrimp]

In this case, as bucket content aproaches 0 drops, 1 drop becomes infinitely more, at least in calculus.

Limits in calculus: "When a real function can be expressed as a fraction whose denominator tends to zero, the output of the function becomes arbitrarily large, and is said to "tend to infinity" For example, the reciprocal function, f ( x ) = 1/x tends to infinity as x tends to 0.

Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_by_zero

[Retric]

Tends to infinity != infinity. Also, the fundamental theory of calculus requires a continuous function.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_theorem_of_calculu...

[FredPret]

Are you in an alternate dimension where Snow Crash literally happened?!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snow_Crash

[lelandfe]

Burbclaves coming next: https://www.wired.com/story/startup-nations-donald-trump-leg...

[FredPret]

This type of crazy shit makes me love Canada even more

[mystraline]

Its one of the reasons why I am a market based socialist.

The essentials of living should be state owned, and provided as inexpensively or freely as part of being here. And when that doesn't completely work, significant controls be put in place to prevent undue capitalization/financial ideation.

The next tier should be a middle ground of intermediate importance, that companies can fulfill, but with modest controls to allow suitable profit and growth.

The final tier is the new and not-required level. This is the new stuff, the crazy tech. Low/no laws, let everyone in this realm go crazy and experiment. The skies the limit.

But water? This is beyond the pale. And revolutions have gone on for this before.

[robertlagrant]

I might've got a bad translation, but :

> the parastatal Water and Drainage Services of Monterrey

Isn't that already the state owning the water supply?

[autoexec]

> This isn't a football problem, it's a "company has way too much power" problem.

This isn't limited to just one company. The problem is how copyright has been abused and over-prioritized until it's become a threat to people's freedoms, to art, and to progress.

Copyright needs to be reined in so that no matter what the company is or what product they're pushing innocent people won't be negatively impacted just so that the industry can squeeze more profit from people while refusing to adapt.

[lenerdenator]

But why does the company have too much power?

Because there's a lot of money at stake surrounding soccer in Europe.

[hulitu]

> But why does the company have too much power?

Because they pay the lawmakers to give them this power.

[MichaelZuo]

So then why hasn’t Europe made a viable competitor to Cloudflare yet…?

[AdmiralAsshat]

Cloudflare isn't the company with too much power in the above scenario: La Liga is. CF isn't turning off access because they want to, it's because La Liga convinced a court that Cloudflare is promoting "piracy" with the various websites they host (some of which, constituting less than a rounding error of the overall sites they host, may host pirated soccer streams), and convinced a court to have Cloudflare blocked.

[dmix]

Technically LaLiga is only allowed to sue because the gov created aggressive IP/piracy rules, such as: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ley_Sinde

They were given those powers in court over Cloudflare via the Spanish government, with some help via a pressure campaign by US gov to protect US copyright globally.

[autoexec]

That said, Cloudflare absolutely has too much power. Centralizing the internet makes it fragile and maximizes the collateral damage caused by draconian copyright enforcement.

[MichaelZuo]

If there was a viable competitor, then it wouldn’t matter so much if it was blocked or not…

[M3L0NM4N]

The same IP rules would apply to anybody hosting any site that could have the pirated streams...

[Dylan16807]

That's a bad thing in this case. I don't want website blocking to be easier.

[amarant]

What makes you think the competitor wouldn't simply be blocked as well?

[MichaelZuo]

Because their policies, behavior, etc., likely wouldn’t be 100% identical.

[DeepSeaTortoise]

Must be a lack of regulations and compliance procedures giving potential entrepreneurs the legal framework to work within.