[arandomusername]

There are many videos on twitter if you'd like to see recorded examples.

But basically, TCC is the recruitment office in Ukraine, and they will pull up in unmarked vans and grab and force them into a van.

Here's an article about it: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/11/28/ukrainian-...

A decent video example (ignore the text): https://x.com/East_Calling/status/1896019613198270859 - there's many more.

It's absolutely terrifying for Ukrainian men.

[theshackleford]

> It's absolutely terrifying for Ukrainian men.

I'ts no less terrifying for Russian men when the goons show up to take you away I assure you.

Sadly my family in Russia has been impacted by this, not in being conscripted forcefully themselves, but needing to destroy their own livelyhoods so that it is not possible for them to facilitate the the sending of others to the front line.

[libertine]

Those videos are amplified greatly by Russian propaganda bots, one thing to put them in check is to ask how many hundreds of thousands of young Russian men fled and climbed through walls once the mobilization was announced by the regime.

I think it was 1.000.000+ men lmao

Now that's trying to escape war. In every war there's people avoiding conscription, and Russians do it by orders or magnitude we probably haven't seen on record.

[arandomusername]

Those videos are amplified by russian bots, but it doesn't make them any less true. A lot of Russian men did flee, but they no longer conscript, while Ukraine still does. And Ukraine forces men into vans to send them to the frontlines. Russia just keeps increasing the pay.

Ukraine had to close borders to men because so many were trying to flee. Millions of Ukrainians sought refuge throughout Europe.

[mopsi]

> And Ukraine forces men into vans to send them to the frontlines. Russia just keeps increasing the pay.

It would be honest of you to mention the flood of videos on Russian social media showing crippled Russian soldiers on crutches dragged into trucks, driven to the frontline, and forced to attack. Some of them are featured here: https://edition.cnn.com/2025/02/22/europe/russia-wounded-tro... And this is how they end up, absolutely incredible sight, one "attacking" on crutches, the other next to him crawling on all fours: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CQcftiP3jQ

I have not seen anything this wild on the Ukrainian side.

[libertine]

> Those videos are amplified by russian bots, but it doesn't make them any less true.

I never said they ain't true, as I said - not everyone wants to be in a war, and this happens literally in every war. I just pointed out that in the case of Russia it occurred in an unprecedented manner, while what happens in Ukraine is what's more in line with war.

> A lot of Russian men did flee, but they no longer conscript, while Ukraine still does.

Conscription would probably lead to the final collapse of the Russian economy, they are resorting to the misery of the population which are joining the war with entrepreneurial ambitions (getting well paid... which is a sad event given the high interest rates and inflation). Russia hasn't declared war, and probably never will as that would be a threat to the regime.

> Ukraine had to close borders to men because so many were trying to flee. Millions of Ukrainians sought refuge throughout Europe.

Like in any country being invaded with Martial Law in place.

[arandomusername]

Ukrainian bots amplify pro-Ukrainian narratives, NATO bots amplify pro-NATO narratives, Russian bots amplify pro-Russian narratives. Every country participates in propaganda.

> I just pointed out that in the case of Russia it occurred in an unprecedented manner, while what happens in Ukraine is what's more in line with war.

Russia did not kidnap man from the streets to force to the frontline, at least not that I'm aware of, and certainly not in the numbers that Ukraine does. Conscription happens in wars, but forcing men off the street to go to the frontline?

> Conscription would probably lead to the final collapse of the Russian economy

I've been hearing that Russian's economy is on the brink of collapse for the last three years. It's awful compared to the West, but they have transitioned into war-fueled economy well, and are still doing well enough despite the war and all the sanctions.

> Like in any country being invaded with Martial Law in place.

So same like Russia? Men want to flee from getting conscripted.

[mopsi]

  In a coordinated operation, Russian authorities conducted raids on three of Moscow’s largest and most popular nightclubs on Friday night, detaining hundreds of men and taking them to military conscription offices.

  According to witnesses, dozens of police vehicles, including paddy wagons, lined up outside the nightclubs as enforcement personnel, accompanied by police K9 units, systematically entered the establishments. Clubgoers described the scene as chaotic, with people being escorted out in groups. The authorities focused their efforts on male patrons, detaining many of them and subsequently transporting them to local military conscription offices. Women, on the other hand, were eventually released after their passports were photographed.

  One attendee, who wished to remain anonymous, described the atmosphere inside as tense and surreal. “It was like nothing I’ve ever experienced. They came in and started checking IDs, taking the men away without much explanation. The music stopped, and everyone just froze,” the witness said.

Video from the raid: https://www.threads.net/@opium_hum/post/DDANoVHsojO

[arandomusername]

Any trustworthy source that verifies those men are sent to military conscription offices?

I would guess that the video is just another crackdown on LGBTQ, as they have been doing: https://apnews.com/article/russia-lgbtq-crackdown-nightclub-...

[libertine]

> Ukrainian bots amplify pro-Ukrainian narratives, NATO bots amplify pro-NATO narratives, Russian bots amplify pro-Russian narratives. Every country participates in propaganda.

Yeah, except Russian propaganda is composed mainly by lies (truth be told, terrible lies that would only work in people with very poor cognitive capacity).

> Russia did not kidnap man from the streets to force to the frontline, at least not that I'm aware of, and certainly not in the numbers that Ukraine does. Conscription happens in wars, but forcing men off the street to go to the frontline?

Another lie.

Not only they kidnaped men, they kidnapped foreign workers.[0]

[0]https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cly6ve2x72xo

> So same like Russia? Men want to flee from getting conscripted.

Oh please do show the records of hundreds of thousands of men fleeing a country just upon the announcement of mobilization, here's one example of what happened just at the border with Georgia (Russia is a big place): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzv5fM1LWXk

[arandomusername]

> Not only they kidnaped men, they kidnapped foreign workers.[0]

From your source:

> were lured by agents with the promise of money and jobs, sometimes as "helpers" in the Russian army.

So where's the kidnapping? Seems like you lie just as much as this "russian propaganda". There is no kidnapping.

> Oh please do show the records of hundreds of thousands of men fleeing a country just upon the announcement of mobilization

How about the millions in Europe? I see Ukrainian men everyday in my country.

> In an analysis of figures from EU statistics agency Eurostat in November, BBC Ukrainian found that some 768,000 Ukrainian men aged 18-64 had left the country for the EU alone since the start of Russia's full-scale invasion.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67787173

[rightbyte]

It is quite astonishing there isn't more critique of those methods. That in combination with closing the border for men.

It is very authoritarian.

[spaethnl]

What you are saying is Russian propaganda.

Nearly every country that has been attacked has forced conscription. The US did during WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, and we weren't even attacked in 3 of those.

Were we authoritarian then?

[arandomusername]

Calling everything that doesn't paint Ukraine in a good light "Russian propaganda" is tiring.

Any forced conscription is immoral. Do you think forcing American men to go and die in Vietnam was morally just?

[mitthrowaway2]

Vietnam wasn't a war of defense, so it's not a great comparison. Maybe better to compare UK conscription in WW2. Which I can't really say whether it's immoral or not.

[motorest]

> Calling everything that doesn't paint Ukraine in a good light "Russian propaganda" is tiring.

It doesn't make it less Russian propaganda though, and from the same blend of the gay Nazi biolabs nonsense that's constantly spewed around. A telltale sign is the duality of criteria.

[arandomusername]

Just so I'm understanding correctly, being against the forceful sending of men to the frontline is 'Russian propaganda'?

What even is the point of having a discussion if anything that isn't pro-Ukraine is dismissed as russian propaganda?

[collingreen]

You have a lot of really bad takes such that I think you're intentionally trying to misunderstand or dishonestly represent an unbalanced take.

I don't know what your motivation is but I hope you'll stop. It will be more convincing as well if it looks like you're making a fair point in earnest.