[libertine]

> Ukrainian bots amplify pro-Ukrainian narratives, NATO bots amplify pro-NATO narratives, Russian bots amplify pro-Russian narratives. Every country participates in propaganda.

Yeah, except Russian propaganda is composed mainly by lies (truth be told, terrible lies that would only work in people with very poor cognitive capacity).

> Russia did not kidnap man from the streets to force to the frontline, at least not that I'm aware of, and certainly not in the numbers that Ukraine does. Conscription happens in wars, but forcing men off the street to go to the frontline?

Another lie.

Not only they kidnaped men, they kidnapped foreign workers.[0]

[0]https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cly6ve2x72xo

> So same like Russia? Men want to flee from getting conscripted.

Oh please do show the records of hundreds of thousands of men fleeing a country just upon the announcement of mobilization, here's one example of what happened just at the border with Georgia (Russia is a big place): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzv5fM1LWXk

[arandomusername]

> Not only they kidnaped men, they kidnapped foreign workers.[0]

From your source:

> were lured by agents with the promise of money and jobs, sometimes as "helpers" in the Russian army.

So where's the kidnapping? Seems like you lie just as much as this "russian propaganda". There is no kidnapping.

> Oh please do show the records of hundreds of thousands of men fleeing a country just upon the announcement of mobilization

How about the millions in Europe? I see Ukrainian men everyday in my country.

> In an analysis of figures from EU statistics agency Eurostat in November, BBC Ukrainian found that some 768,000 Ukrainian men aged 18-64 had left the country for the EU alone since the start of Russia's full-scale invasion.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67787173

[libertine]

> So where's the kidnapping?

It doesn't look good when you start arguing about semantics when English is not your main language, so let me help you here: When you take someone against their will, it's called kidnapping.

Here's the definition:kidnapping, criminal offense consisting of the unlawful taking and carrying away of a person by force or fraud or the unlawful seizure and detention of a person against his will.[0]

So clearly they were kidnapped and held by force, some were lured which is also kidnapping by definition, and it's well known by the way, another example: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64582985

So not only are you lying, you're doubling down spreading misinformation, and you're accusing others of providing you with sources of being liars.

[0]https://www.britannica.com/topic/kidnapping

> How about the millions in Europe? I see Ukrainian men everyday in my country.

You're talking about refugees, of which 2 thirds are women and children?[0] Then you refer to millions of men in Europe, showing a 768.000 figure.

https://unric.org/en/ukraine-over-6-million-refugees-spread-...

[arandomusername]

In my original post, I did say kidnapping from the street. Luring them in with promises or fear of deportation isn't exactly that - but semantics. I got carried away, I do consider that morally wrong just like the Ukrainian ones. I will concede and agree with you that Russians are kidnapping. I don't think anyone should be pressured or forced to the frontline like that. Ukrainian, Russian, or otherwise.

> You're talking about refugees, of which 2 thirds are women and children?[0] Then you refer to millions of men in Europe, showing a 768.000 figure.

Well, if 2/3 are women out of 6 million then 2 million would be men. But semantics, we can confirm that theres atleast 768k according to Eurostat. Which I think satisfies your claim: (somewhat, unless you get picky about the "upon the announcement of mobilization")

> Oh please do show the records of hundreds of thousands of men fleeing a country just upon the announcement of mobilization