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by Xunjin 496 days ago
Great point, Hetzner has a great price, or even discuss with them a sponsorship too?
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Hetzner has a great price but it plays not in the same league as AWS. It's cheap and good enough for some applications but I wouldn't call Hetzner a professional service.
Hetzner is hosted in Germany. AWS is controlled by US company.

US sanction laws are legal nightmare, quicksand that constantly changes. Major global infrastructure projects like Freedesktop should avoid US!

Software In The Public Interest Inc. (creators of free desktop) is incorporated in New York so they have to follow US sanction law anyways.
Maybe it's time to consider changing it to another country which is actually OSS friendly and doesn't change all the time their politics.

PS: Sorry for the off-topic discussion.

RISC-V International moved from California (IIRC?) to Switzerland for basically this reason.
It's shocking and saddening to think one might need to change from the United States to some other country in order to seek freedom. But here we are
Hetzner Cloud is definitely professional enough to place most production systems on it.

Sure, servers might die at times, but this also happens at AWS and can be avoided by using multiple servers in a HA configuration.

Are you running a production system on it? One that makes money and loses money when down?
Do you?

Everybody I know is happy with what Hetzner provides, even at production level. OTOH, "arguably better" DigitalOcean sent me a "Your physical host died, so we restarted it. If it persists, we'll migrate" e-mail, which just shows the reality of the hardware.

On your question, while I do not have services on Hetzner yet, I manage a lot of servers, so I know dynamics of a datacenter and what it entails to keep one up.

I had enough trouble with them that I don't even consider.
Such as? If you prefer, of course.
Yes, with more than 100 VMs on Hetzner Cloud.

It's highly available though and the redundant replicas run on their separated physical machines

https://docs.hetzner.com/cloud/placement-groups/overview/

Single machines die (and can't be started again for a few minutes to hours) every few months, but that's acceptable for me, and we also similar things happen at AWS.

Yes. Haven't had an outage in near 2 years according to our monitoring.
I do. I just rent 2 computers from Hetzner. One is main another is failover. If main dies failover kicks in while main is restored on another computer. Still way way cheaper than AWS which I would not touch with wooden pole unless required by client.
Sorry, but could you point out what is not professional? Not everyone needs a UI wrapper that offers tons of OSS services with high prices.
How is this Hetzner's fault (or concern?)

"Hey your customer is hosting a website with random pictures on it. One of them of me is unflattering. Please make them fix it"

They were hosting a StackOverflow copy, which is OK because of Creative Commons. All my answers were still under my name as it should be.

The only difference to the original was my profile picture, which was an explicit porn image.

For several weeks everyone searching for my name or my StackOverflow answers saw that. I'm glad that I was not looking for a job at the time.

I exhausted all possibilities on all channels to rectify this situation short of using a lawyer. I put a lot of effort into getting things in order and seriously considered going the legal route but ultimately decided against it mainly because courts are hit and miss here when it comes to reputation damage of regular individuals as opposed to companies or celebrities.

EDIT: I should have answered your question how this is Hetzner's fault more directly. The website they were hosting did not have the (in Germany) mandatory legal notice (Impressum) or any contact details. This shifts the responsibility to the provider (Providerhaftung). Also I would like to note that I did neither request them to give me their customer's details nor to shut down the site. All I wanted was them to work with their customer to have the offending image removed.

Also I am convinced the porn image was not malice but an accident. The scraper replaced all profile images with ones they probably scraped from a forum. I was just unlucky to get a very indecent one. Had Hetzner collaborated I'm pretty sure this could have been resolved in no time.

Hi there, would you mind giving me the abuse ID for this case. (When someone creates an abuse report with us, our confirmation email includes an abuse ID in the subject line.) If you still have that, and you would like me to ask a colleague about this case, please let me know. --Katie, Hetzner Online