[f1shy]

Hunger is the feeling that we feel when the body is about to start using fat reserves. There is no way to loose weight without feeling hunger.

Much more still than hunger, you have to fight the “I would like to eat something” feeling.

[ConspiracyFact]

>Hunger is the feeling that we feel when the body is about to start using fat reserves. There is no way to loose weight without feeling hunger.

I don't know what the science says, but from personal experience, this is false. I've lost weight without feeling hungry.

[f1shy]

Science says in most normal cases, should be like that. The hunger can be masked by other pleasure hormones, that is why exercise is important, to set endorphins free.

Mind to give more insight in how to loose weight without ever feeling the need to eat at all? There are thousands of books that claim that, but no one delivers… ask me how I know.

[hilux]

> Hunger is the feeling that we feel when the body is about to start using fat reserves.

None of that is true, but particularly the first part.

Hunger is what you feel when your ghrelin levels rise.

[f1shy]

I find absolutely shocking that you say what I claim is false, and your justification is “ Hunger is what you feel when your ghrelin levels rise.”.

Ghrelin is one of many ways to feel hungry, and also has many other functions: also participates in regulation of reward cognition, learning and memory, the sleep-wake cycle, taste sensation, reward behavior, and glucose metabolism, for example. The exact mechanics of hormones in the body is far from being completely understood.

Independent of that, the fact that you know the name of an hormone, does not even remotely make my claim false. The question is “what triggers the ghrelin?”. Part of the answer is circadian timing (what I mean with “I would like to eat”) but also the body need for energy (start using reserves).

So yes ghrelin is involved. So what?

[hilux]

From reading that non-sequitur, I'm guessing that you are a bot, powered by someone's home-trained LLM.

Which is fine(?), but usually these go to reddit.

[AnimalMuppet]

Personal attacks may go on reddit. Don't do that here.

Even more: He made a reasonable reply. You answered with an ad hominem. When you don't actually answer, it makes it look like you can't actually answer.

[hilux]

I'm not sure if you're talking to me – but it's an objective fact (that you should google) that ghrelin levels determine hunger.

Everything in his first message is objectively false, specifically that hunger means your body is eating fat. That is wrong, wishful thinking, and made up. How can I be more clear?

And everything in the follow up response seems irrelevant, rambling, moving the goalpost. (Hence the LLM observation.)

> When you don't actually answer

When I don't answer what?

[AnimalMuppet]

Talking to you.

Regardless of whether you are factually correct, "I'm guessing that you are a bot, powered by someone's home-trained LLM", the likes of which "usually... go to reddit" is a personal attack. Don't do that here.

When did you not answer that? In the post I replied to, when you said exactly none of the things you said in this post to justify your position and argue against his.

It's not that hard. Give real argument. Don't give drive-by insults, no matter how appropriate you think they are.

[f1shy]

Again my friend read carefully: we both totally agree in “ghrelin levels determine hunger”.

what I’m saying, is that one of many reasons (some of them even not even related to the digestive tract, you can also google that) influence the leves of that hormone, one of them, happens to be the triggering of fat reserves, AND/OR there are another paths from which you also can feel the urge to eat when the body starts using reserves.

I say A implies B, B implies C therefore A implies C (or maybe A implies C directly).

Where A is “body uses reserves”, B “hormone rises“, C “feel hunger”. You say B implies C, therefore A does not imply C. You are rambling and not being able to follow basic logic. Sorry. I’m not moving any posts here. You want to show you are right, please illuminate me: show me a serious article where it clearly states that there is absolutely no relation between the body using fat reserves and the sense of hunger. That would be new for me, and I can forward that to the MD specialist in diets that told me wrong.

I’m not claiming I’m expert, I could be wrong, I cleared say “I know it from somebody I trust“. But telling me, that because some hormone has a role in it, what I say is false, is an absolutely trivial falacy.

[f1shy]

I am not a bot. I’m just answering with the best knowledge of what was told to me by people much more smarter than me, in the hope that it can help somebody else.

[d0mine]

People feel hungry when it is time to eat (ghrelin, leptin hormones). You can eat once per day and feel hungry just before the meal.

More extreme example: hunger typically subsides after approximately three days during a water fast (you eat nothing and no hunger)