What do you mean "No" ? I am asking if it's traversing red lights while they are otherwise safe to traverse (no lateral traffic). What's with this amazing pessimism infecting this forum lately.
You asked whether or not the FSD ran the red lights safely. You were given the answer of "No". You never, at any point, asked whether or not "it's traversing red lights while they are otherwise safe to traverse (no lateral traffic)" which is a question that contradicts itself.
If you ask a question, someone answers, and you start berating them because they were either not able to read your mind to determine what the actual question you're asking is or gave you an answer you did not like, then why ask the question?
The article you posted a comment to shows a video of numerous instances of the FSD trying to run a red light when it is absolutely "not safe" to do so.
Usually HN engineers are able to compartmentalize and correctly answer questions like this, but it’s a lost cause with Tesla for some reason. They’re unable to separate “it did a dangerous thing, but did not cause harm” in their minds.
Yes, it has problems. Yes, it has regressions. Yes, sometimes it does dangerous things. But it drove me 400 miles, door to door, last week and did fine. There’s clearly something historic happening here, but all HN can talk about is flaws.
If someone developed a warp drive, and 25% of the time it turned the operator into jelly, we wouldn’t sit here talking exclusively about jelly. We’d talk about how warp drive is cool and what the path to fixing stuff is.
This is a good point. HN posters have some difficulty looking at the objective reality of this situation, for example some are missing the obvious comparison to a completely unrelated sci-fi hypothetical that exists in your head.
I actually generally agree with you. It’s amazing. And I actually feel safer with waymo than human drivers. But the idea that running a stop sign is safe because there aren’t other cars is the issue here.
> If someone developed a warp drive, and 25% of the time it turned the operator into jelly, we wouldn’t sit here talking exclusively about jelly. We’d talk about how warp drive is cool and what the path to fixing stuff is
What? Who? We'd ask why the hell people are being put in it.
The hackers of yore, the ones we respect, weren't terrorists. When they phreaked the phone company they didn't try to take down 911.
> did not cause harm
Tesla's FSD has killed people [1]. It's also been the subject of multiple recalls by federal agencies.
> it drove me 400 miles, door to door, last week and did fine
I call BS. Even in perfect weather on perfect roads with perfect visibility, 400 miles is at least 10 times as long as FSD can go without a disengagement.
It doesn't even have to run over a pedestrian to be dangerous, such a move could very well lead to the driver being pulled over and extrajudicially executed by a trigger happy cop
I'll grant safely jaywalking as a thing that can be done. Running a red light in a vehicle safely, no.
Best case the signal is malfunctioning. But that's a classic situation in which an L3 car should ask for a human.