[JumpCrisscross]

> If someone developed a warp drive, and 25% of the time it turned the operator into jelly, we wouldn’t sit here talking exclusively about jelly. We’d talk about how warp drive is cool and what the path to fixing stuff is

What? Who? We'd ask why the hell people are being put in it.

The hackers of yore, the ones we respect, weren't terrorists. When they phreaked the phone company they didn't try to take down 911.

> did not cause harm

Tesla's FSD has killed people [1]. It's also been the subject of multiple recalls by federal agencies.

[1] https://www.tesladeaths.com

[ripjaygn]

> Tesla's FSD has killed people [1]

I looked at the very first one on the list and it says someone drunk in a non-Tesla hit a Tesla and resulted in a death of the Tesla driver.

> According to the Albuquerque Police Department, on July 1, Sandoval-Martinez was driving drunk, speeding, and without a license when he ran a red light and hit Tiger Gutierrez’s Tesla, as well as a Toyota Corolla.

Not sure why the website is putting that under a Tesla death, probably to inflate counts since there aren't many Tesla deaths due to them being very safe cars.

Why are you attributing and referencing these incidents as FSD killing people?

[JumpCrisscross]

> Why are you attributing and referencing these incidents as FSD killing people?

Nobody is.

The first entry, case No. 432, appears to have a null value in the Autopilot claimed and Verified Tesla Death columns. The first Autopilot claimed death is No. 410 [1].

> probably to inflate counts since there aren't many Tesla deaths due to them being very safe cars

How is 555 deaths across millions of cars sold refuting that? The bold text at the top clearly states "Tesla Deaths is a record of Tesla accidents that involved a driver, occupant, cyclist, motorcyclist, or pedestrian death, whether or not the Tesla or its driver were at fault."

[1] https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/charges-filed-against-tesla...

[ripjaygn]

> Nobody is.

You're the one that referenced that site as a source for FSD allegedly killing people. And now the only thing you have is an Autopilot death and quote the site text that says it includes deaths whether or not the Tesla or its driver were at fault? Where are the FSD deaths you claimed? Most people don't check sources and assume a comment is true because one is linked.

The fact that deaths are included as a 'Tesla death' regardless of who's fault it is shows that the site operator has an axe to grind and that the data cannot be trusted.

> How is 555 deaths across millions of cars sold refuting that?

555 deaths over 11 years worldwide is quite low given that about 45,000 people die in auto accidents just in the US every single year and 1.19M people die worldwide every single year.

[JumpCrisscross]

> Where are the FSD deaths you claimed?

I believe the NHTSA's fatal FSD crash refers to No. 225 on that list [1].

> Most people don't check sources and assume a comment is true because one is linked

I'd assume anyone responding to a comment would be curious and competent enough to look at a source.

> fact that deaths are included as a 'Tesla death' regardless of who's fault it is shows that the site operator has an axe to grind and that the data cannot be trusted

Judging fault is subjective. Judging whether someone died is not.

> 555 deaths over 11 years worldwide is quite low given that about 45,000 people die in auto accidents just in the US every single year and 1.19M people die worldwide every single year

Yes. That's the point. It's a dataset that shows Teslas to be safe, Autopilot not so much and evidences FSD having killed at least one person.

[1] https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/inv/2022/INCR-EA22002-14496.pdf Table 1