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by ThomasGokey 5142 days ago
Sorry everyone, I took down the original link because I wasn't sure everyone in our conversation about debt forgiveness/debt strike would feel comfortable having a wider audience read it. But I've added all the relevant info about our project below. We'll be launching it soon and could use your help spreading the word when we do. I also welcome any feedback/criticism that you might have. Thanks. -------------

Our Story

The banks got bailed out and we got sold out. It’s time for a bailout of the 99% by the 99% for the 99%. Help us raise $5,000 to launch a large-scale debt forgiveness project.

Banks sell defaulted charged-off debt as a commodity for pennies on the dollar. The banks make so much money charging interest and imposing fees that they don’t mind selling some debts to collectors at a significant loss provided that the debtors are financially ruined in the process. So here's our plan: We're going to raise as much money as possible, buy as much debt as possible, and then forgive the debt outright. If we can raise $5,000 we will be able to launch the project by forgiving $100,000-$500,000 worth of personal debt. This project is 100% legal.

The Impact

The 1% gets rich by keeping millions of hardworking people poor and in debt. Over three quarters of all Americans are in debt and one out of every seven is currently being pursued by a debt collector. Debt Fairy liberates people from some of their debt by forgiving it outright.

But the real impact will come through non-cooperation with our own oppression. Nonviolent direct action searches for the point of contact between our lives and the unjust systems which exploit us. One point of contact can be found every month when we dutifully pay the banks money they didn’t earn. The 1% could not exploit us without our cooperation. If millions of us organized to refuse to pay our debts we could bring this unjust system to a grinding halt and demand real changes. Go to the Occupy Student Debt Campaign and sign the Debtor’s Pledge of Refusal.

Other Ways You Can Help

Spread the word! Educate yourself about how debt works and how we can liberate ourselves from debt by fighting back. Attend a GA at your local occupation and join a working group.

FAQ

Q. Is this legal? A. Yes. After the savings and loan crisis in the 1980’s the government made it legal to buy and sell debt as a commodity. As the legal owner of this debt the Debt Fairy has the legal power to forgive this debt.

Q. Can you forgive my debt? A. Unfortunately there is no way to seek out a specific person and buy their debt. Before purchasing the debt there is very limited information as to whose debt it is. The Debt Fairy is a playful creature and liberates people out of the blue.

Q. Can the Debt Fairy forgive student debt? A. No. The government guarantees student loans made by private lenders like Sallie Mae which means that these private lenders will always make a profit no matter what and have no incentive to lend responsibly or to sell these debts at a discounted rate. Sometimes a private lender will lend directly to a student in excess of the amount that the government will guarantee. This usually happens under highly predatory circumstances like for-profit scam schools such as the University of Phoenix. It is somewhat hard to find, but this highly predatory kind of student loan can be purchased and forgiven.

However, we are looking in to other ways we might be able to aquire and forgive student loans. We'll keep you posted.

Q. But shouldn’t we all pay our debts? Isn’t it unfair to forgive some people’s debt? A. The 1% can always get their debts forgiven, even as they rewrite the laws to make it nearly impossible for the 99% to get out from under their debt. The 1% profits without working by keeping the rest of us in debt. The undemocratic system the 1% have built is unfair and unjust. The Debt Fairy is a small intervention to set people free from from their debt and give them a fresh start. Debt refusal or a debt strike is a way to directly confront the whole unjust system and replace it with a just system.

Q. Who/what is the Debt Fairy?

A. The Debt Fairy is a mysterious, anonymous, magical creature who playfully liberates people from their debt.

2 comments

"$100,000-$500,000 worth of personal debt" is in no way something that 99% of people do. I can not think how one could get $500K of personal debt (excluding mortgages, etc.) without either multiple major catastrophic coincidences (by definition can't be 99%) or some very serious bad decisions going on for years. I do not buy that people owing 100-500K in personal debt are being "exploited" as a rule. This reminds me of this Person of the Year: http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/2011/12/sarah_mason_time_... who raked up debts by going on random shopping trips at the malls and then blames the evil 1% for it. I do not buy it and I would not buy it.

As for the 1%-vs-99% rhetoric, it is kind of cute that people try to raise money using slogan-de-jour, but for me this sounds as a baloney. One can march on a street with slogans based on nothing but emotions and deep misunderstanding of economics, but as a business plan that does not sound good.

Personally, I don't understand why I would give any money to selectively bail out worst debtors and thus incentivize their behavior. I'd rather give the same money to a local charity or local Red Cross - I know they help real people in dire need and I can be reasonable sure I'm not just financing some loan sharks and some innumerates with appetites exceeding their capacities to pay.

The people I know who've come a cropper due to personal debt have ended up that way because they made poor financial decisions. It's a touching story, the one where people are forced into spending on their credit card because of INSERT PERSONAL TRAGEDY HERE and it spirals out of control from there. I shan't say it never happens, just that it is not something that jibes with my experience. The people I've known with debt problems just like to spend money that they don't have, because they want to own things that they can't afford. Then they complain of the injustice when repayment falls due.

Perhaps my experience is different from that of most other people. It is certainly possible. But I don't claim to speak for everybody, only for myself, and I speak based on my experience. And, based on my experiences, and speaking only for myself, I can't help not caring to spend any of my money on complete strangers' debt problems. They have already spent enough of other people's money. It has to stop somewhere.

Just to clarify, the $100,000-$500,000 is collective debt from many different debtors ranging from a few hundred to a few thousand dollars each. This isn't forgiving one single person's giant debt.
Thanks for the clarification, it was not clear in the original message but makes more sense after the clarification. However, only a little more - among all charity I could do with my money, why should I select this particular one? I still see this would be incentivizing both irresponsible borrowing and irresponsible lending. I'd rather have the same funds go to either helping people in need directly or educating them about their rights and proper bankruptcy debt discharge procedures.

Maybe I'm missing some important points there but it looks like this project is basically giving out money to people after selecting them by the property of being bad debtor (and without any filtering distinguishing unfortunate accidents from sheer irresponsibility). Of course, each person is free to choose his own charitable giving, but so far the case for it does not sound convincing.

I'd like to give a full response but I'm afraid it would be too long.

Long story short: I'm hoping to use this debt forgiveness project as a way of building momentum for a large scale debt strike/debt refusal campaign.

I don't think refusing to pay the debt you took voluntarily and spent is ethical or moral. Charity is laudable, even one that I think is misguided, but I don't really think suggesting people defraud their lenders an masse is a good idea. OTOH, I think chances of such campaign to succeed is extremely low, so it becomes just pure charity.
If you think there is a moral claim that debts should be paid, you owe it to yourself to read Debt: The First 5000 Years and then see how you feel.
I think you may have misunderstood. I don't think that the $100k–$500k figures refers to the debt of one single particular person, but rather a bunch of individual debts sold as a block by the creditor. Also, I don't think that this is meant as a business plan. As far as I can tell, the OP doesn't plan on making any money on this.
Even if you plan to run a non-profit, you still need a plan. Charities and nonprofits have business plans too.
I don't see anything wrong with the plan—solicit donations & use them to forgive debt randomly with pennies on the dollar while spreading an anti-bank message. arguably, the tax implications could be problematic to the overall plan, but this doesn't seem to be your argument. Yours seems to be akin to saying Planned Parenthood doesn't have a business plan because you disagree with birth control.
If you say "I'm gonna fight the evil 1% by educating people how to lead lives without debt" - that sounds like plan. If you say "I'm gonna fight the evil 1% by giving them money so people in bad debt can take more debt and irresponsible lenders could recover their costs, all while creating tax problems for the recipients of my charity" - that doesn't sound like a good plan. It's like AA giving out free beers, if I'm allowed to use analogies too.

BTW, if you look at what Planned Parenthood does, abortions are about 3% of what they do. So if their model would have 70% prevention, 25% counseling and 3% debt forgiveness, as PP does, I'd say it makes much more sense.

Right, we aren't making money off this. We'll be transparent as to how much we raise and where it all goes.
I just want to say THANK YOU. I made some poor business decisions in 2006-2007 that led to me going $45,000 in credit card debt.

That in turn made me take a job that wasn't a good fit, where I struggled for 3 years, paying $1000 per month ($36,000 total!) and my debt didn't go down one penny, because it was all interest.

I finally burned out and quit at the end of 2010, letting my payments lapse because I had no other choice. I've settled one $18,000 debt for $4000 but still owe about $27,000 that has been charged off by the companies. I also owe $9000 in student loans, which let me do a forbearance in 2011, and which I have been paying on time since.

Credit/debt is a RACKET, please don't let it cost you your sanity. You only live once. And when you really start to understand how the system works, you lose all illusions that it's fair or even "debt" at all, because of how institutions can basically print money at no interest and borrow unlimited amounts, but you can't even get a low interest loan to say, keep your business afloat.