[throwway120385]

At one of my addresses FedEx will happily sell anyone overnight shipping and then just keep the parcel at the depot for a week until they have a driver who can actually make the trip. I have had like 6 very urgent packages delayed like this. Once my wife ordered something perishable and they pulled this then told her she had to drive into town and pick it up at the airport.

I've also been nearly run off the road by FedEx drivers on the highway before. One guy was so angry that I was only going 10 over that he tailgated me within a foot and then punish passed me.

They're also the only service that still corrects my other address to the wrong address. I tried for a whole month to get ahold of anyone there who even knows what address correction is and then just stopped using them for anything important.

They doubled down on "digital" during the pandemic and fired a bunch of CSRs and stuff. It doesn't look like it's working out very well for them.

[Arrath]

> just keep the parcel at the depot for a week until they have a driver who can actually make the trip.

Depot workers can get up to the weirdest stuff. One time I was returning unused product (oil well perforating guns, a UN 1.4D explosive device) via Yellow Freight. I handed over the cases and signed all the appropriate paperwork to handover custody at the depot and went on about my day. The supplier called me ~10 days later saying they never received the shipment! Perturbed, I called down to the depot who basically shrugged it off with "no idea lol not our problem". Their attitude changed when I told them that in accordance with my license and federal law I would be notifying the ATF at the end of the day that there were missing or lost explosives and it would very much be their problem.

A couple hours later they called back and told me the boxes had missed their truck and were just sitting in the corner of the secure cage in the loading dock, forlorn and forgotten. What the fuck, guys.

[reaperman]

> dropped off oil well perforating guns at Yellow Freight

Holy fuck. We never shipped these using commercial couriers, but transported them using company trucks and company labor. We'd also have a heavily armed security person escorting them at all times.

For reference, these are long tubes containing many shaped charges. Sometimes you can have hundreds or thousands of shaped charges for a single perforation job. AFAIK, the oil field is the only industry that uses shaped charges outside of the military. Their primary application is piercing tank and ship armor. They kind of "implode" rather than "explode", and generate a sort of lightsaber-beam of superheated copper that lances straight through armor. In this video[0], blue is just a steel casing, yellow is the explosive, and red is the copper which pierces the target.

Not a good thing to "go missing".

0: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoetLNb1Fc4

[Arrath]

> Holy fuck. We never shipped these using commercial couriers, but transported them using company trucks and company labor. We'd also have a heavily armed security person escorting them at all times.

The manufacturer shipped them to us via Yellow, so we figured it was the simplest route to return the unused items via the same route, since they're properly credentialed and insured and all. It was a specialty project (perforating the casing in a newly drilled geothermal well at depths not more than 100m) so we only used in the realm of a dozen 50# cases of loose perforating guns and built the strings ourselves, bringing the high explosives (det cord that made up the string, detonators) from our own magazines.

> AFAIK, the oil field is the only industry that uses shaped charges outside of the military. Their primary application is piercing tank and ship armor.

They're quite often used in demolition as well, to shear through structural steel members. I've used them to bring down warehouses, bridge decks, bridge piers/supports, assorted industrial buildings and even hand built some crude shaped charges when scuttling a ship. I once went down a fun rabbit hole ordering custom built linear shaped charges for a demo project that saw the LSC's used so deep underwater that the static water pressure in the cavity of the charge would prevent the penetrator from forming properly. It was an interesting iterative design process with the manufacturer to make a sealed unit that maintained an air pocket inside the device at those depths and would seal flat agaisnt the object to be demolished. All akin to military uses sure (especially that last one, i bet the SEALS or some branch of frogmen have underwater satchel charges or limpet mines handy but those weren't available to us) but this was in the civilian construction domain.

> Not a good thing to "go missing".

Not at all!

[noisy_boy]

Lesson for US customers: If you really want your shipment to be delivered, add a bullet or a pinch of gunpowder to the shipment.

[mthoms]

Someone once suggested that if you are travelling by air and absolutely must have your checked bag arrived with you - put a starter's pistol in there (and fill out the appropriate paperwork).

The chances of that baggage being lost or misdirected is basically zero.

[Fogest]

One of the big problems I find in the shipping industry is the reliance on insurance. The idea that most packages are insured or easily replaceable. When I was a bit younger and doing some seasonal postal work in a processing plant this was the mentality. The mentality being that sometimes things will go wrong and ruin a package, but hey, whatever. Machines would sometimes destroy a package, packages would get thrown around, heavy boxes would be stacked on very small/fragile ones, etc...

Myself and many of the people I worked with all tried their best. But at the end of the day there is only so much you can do as a temp seasonal worker to prevent such things. They'd rather have a higher amount of damaged/lost items and a higher throughput.

It'd be interesting to see a competitor that made it their goal to handle packages with more care and not have this attitude. However I can't see them getting too far. They would likely have to charge more money, and any of the big companies are not going to care to pay more. They'd rather take the risk and just ship it again if it gets broken on the way. It'll end up being cheaper for them that way. The ones who lose out are the smaller businesses and individuals shipping personal items. It pissed me off when I'd see a damaged package of an item that was clearly a personal homemade thing. Something that isn't easy to just quick send another copy of.

[reaperman]

> It'd be interesting to see a competitor that made it their goal to handle packages with more care

There are "personal courier services" or "white glove courier services" where you hire a specific person to move your package from point A to point B. They stay with your package the whole time, and either carry it on a plane or drive it themselves.

It's expensive, obviously, but the service does exist.

Just like you, I'd love to see a middle-ground, scalable option exist.

[froggit]

Pharmacies use this type of personal courier service to deliver medicine filled in the store to a patient's home (since shipping prescription drugs FedEx is a great way for grandpa to run out of heart medicine). This service is often provided free of charge so it's worth checking out.

[Breza]

That's surprising. The CVS a mile from my house uses USPS Priority Mail. It might actually be cheaper if a pharmacy tech spent ten minutes driving it here.

[Nathanba]

I think there is something about the monkey brain in people that if you give them an item, they think they own it. It doesn't matter that it's just a loan or they are supposed to give it to someone else.. they think they can do whatever they want with it and anyone is lucky that they didn't mess with it. This seems to happen in the food service industry as well with the whole attitude of "be nice to us so we don't mess with your food!" The monkey brain can't help but think that it owns an item that it managed to grab. That's why I think that we need a psychological trick to make humans in package management think differently about the packages. Maybe writing something like "Fedex FAMILY Owned" on each package could do the trick. Although when I worked in a shipping facility I think people were so busy that there wasn't much "thinking" either way possible. Still we will probably just go with robots though.

[Fogest]

I think your last couple sentences is the reality. You are expected to be quick at your job and you don't have much time to think about each package. Was that a pretty heavy package you just put on top of a fragile one? That's unfortunate, but the company just doesn't give you the time to do it properly. And the company is okay with accepting that risk at the customers expense.

[scarab92]

Like most problems, it’s an externality problem.

The true cost of destroying or misplacing a parcel is often higher than the nominal value of the item inside. Sometimes it’s a sentimental good, sometimes it’s time sensitive and not having it in time results in additional costs to the recipient, sometimes the recipient spends significant time attempting to locate the package.

None of these are appropriately compensated for.

Make these companies liable for the economic cost of the goods plus $200 and they’ll start taking more care.

[zdragnar]

Strangely, I've had perishable medicine delivered to me (a biologic injection) for two years without a single hiccup by FedEx. They have been the most consistently reliable delivery service where I live (though the post office is pretty good too). My house is at the bottom of a hill that is difficult for rear wheel drive vehicles in winter.

UPS, on the other hand, can go pound sand. They often refuse to deliver due to weather, then force me to either drive two hours round trip to their distribution center, or charge me to pick it up at the local UPS store.

When when FedEx couldn't get their truck to my house due to road conditions, they were totally fine with my picking it up at their store.

[gopher_space]

> They have been the most consistently reliable delivery service where I live (though the post office is pretty good too).

Every service relies on the USPS to some extent, which makes the Republican attempt to gut the organization so baffling. There's no replacement and nobody is looking to replace it.

From my perspective as an ex letter carrier, your personal experience with package delivery is determined almost entirely by whoever runs the local hub and handles last-mile. Unfortunately it's a McDonald's Assistant Manager kind of role; anyone truly competent will be able to find better work sooner or later.

[ciabattabread]

It took the 2020 pandemic for Republicans to finally get on board and pass the Postal Service Reform Act of 2022.

[eddiecalzone]

Postmaster Dejoy began dismantling critical sorting machines, reducing and limiting overtime, &c only 6 months into lockdown, well before there was a COVID vaccine. Knowing full well the problems it would cause. For example, many remote rural addresses are only serviced by USPS, and people rely on it for timely prescriptions. IMO it was massive public outcry that prevented a great deal more destruction.

https://www.vox.com/2020/8/18/21374014/post-office-usps-loui...

[throwway120385]

In Washington we were giving each other the advice to use ballot dropoff boxes because the postal service had disassembled half of their sorting machines in the month or two leading up to the November election and we were all concerned that mailing the ballots would have led to postmark dates after election day.

[carom]

I live in an apartment. I get mail for 4 or 5 previous tenants. I get corporate spam. I have unsubscribed from as much as I can, I have a return to sender stamp and have used it, yet I am inundated with trash on a daily basis. Technically, it is illegal for me to throw out this trash. In my opinion there is a massive amount of waste moving through USPS and the organization could use some serious cuts in order to take stock of what actually needs to be delivered.

[gopher_space]

You've done everything except talk to the one human being involved who appears at your residence every single day. If I was your letter carrier and knew you felt this way I'd honestly be hurt that you didn't bother to ask me about any of it.

> the organization could use some serious cuts

Miss the part about them being the backbone of package delivery in this country? Or the part where there's nobody to replace them? Well it doesn't matter since the USPS is financially self-sustaining.

[carom]

My letter carrier is a young man with headphones in who cannot be bothered to read the address on the penny saver that he stuffs into my mail slot (I have unsubscribed).

[Breza]

My letter carrier is fantastic. We stop and catch up for a bit when he's delivering. I see so much mail for previous residents in my Informed Delivery email that never arrives because he knows who lives here and returns to sender for us.

[eddiecalzone]

> the USPS is financially self-sustaining.

Sarcasm I hope?

https://thehill.com/opinion/congress-blog/4138391-the-usps-n...

[gopher_space]

Preventing DeJoy levels of sabotage lies outside the USPS remit.

[gffrd]

It's almost as if they're giant companies employing thousands of people, and quality varies across geography …

[Moru]

This is what is so baffling with people.

"The $company/government isn't doing their job, we need to fire/change government/privatise this function, it would solve everything!"

Well, where do you think the former employees will work after their previous employer shuts down? It's not the form of government/company culture that is the biggest problem I'm affraid.

[late2part]

today I learned a new thing:

https://www.bikelaw.com/2017/07/punishment-pass-defined/

[wormius]

That's really unacceptable. If they're going to be that late, they should at least ship it using Jiffy Express: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e134NoLyTug