[kube-system]

If any automaker can make a car that meets these criteria, I will buy one immediately:

* it is available, new, at my local dealer, for <=$40k

* it will enable me to travel to a destination 1.5 hr away, and return, without stopping to charge

* it has a reliable fast-charging network

* doesn't stream video of me to someone else's computer

I don't really think I'm asking for much.

[NotSammyHagar]

But a Tesla model 3 and cover the camera in the car. That's only used if you are foolish enough to pay and use FSD which almost no one does buy it now. 1.5 hours each way is 3 hours of driving, at 70 miles an hour that is 210 miles, add in 50 mile buffer and you are there.

But a far better deal is buy a used tesla model 3 with more range, used, and 4 years of battery warranty (to 120k miles) and 4 more years of drive train warranty, for well under 30.

This is why tesla model y was the best selling sedan in the entire world last year, taking it away from Toyota, an amazing thing really.

[kube-system]

It's not available locally, and not actually available under $40k.

If I were buying today, I'd get a Prius Prime. It is available locally starting at $34,100, has enough range for me to be in EV for anything but a road-trip, and has a good network for parts and service.

[JojoFatsani]

Check the Tesla inventory page. Plenty of lightly used 3’s and Y’s available at steep discounts. The new Prius is by all accounts a great car. However I would put good money on it being way harder to get a Prius than a Tesla at this moment. Toyota hybrids, PHEV especially, are near unobtanium.

[idiotsecant]

Which one of those does this not meet? The available inventory?

[ggreer]

I guess Tesla doesn't have dealerships, so technically it excludes the Model 3 (which does meet all other criteria).

Edit: He stealth-edited "doesn't stream video of me to someone else's computer" into the list, so I think the point of the comment is just, "I want an EV that's as good as a Tesla but isn't a Tesla."

[lIl-IIIl]

It might fail his "doesn't stream video of me to someone else's computer" criteria.

[NotSammyHagar]

cover the camera in the cabin, it's not necessary unless using stupid fsd.

[bryanlarsen]

And it will never be inventory, base models are never stocked. With the 1LT at $35K and the 2LT at $43K it seems clear that the $35K is just a teaser price and there will be lots of obstacles thrown up if you actually want the 1LT.

[kube-system]

It's not available, probably won't be on a lot at my local dealer when it is, and if it is, it'll probably be marked up above sticker and only in higher trims. And it comes with a CCS socket on it, which will plug right into electrify america's junk or it needs some adapter to plug into Tesla's network. I'm not holding my breath.

[peteradio]

The devil appears and offers a car with a 3 hr range but it only goes 20 mph. Should been more careful.

[samsolomon]

A Prius Prime? Or for a little more a RAV4 Prime?

Edit: Never mind I see that’s something you’re already considering!

[ajross]

A Model 3 literally does all of that, except for the bit about wanting to get it at a "dealer", which I suspect you included precisely to avoid buying the Tesla. So, I guess you'll have to wait.

Or you could get a car delivered to your driveway for you like the rest of us urchins. But maybe that's just a bridge too far.

[kube-system]

I ninja-edited in a requirement that I forgot: doesn't stream video of me to someone else's computer. The Model 3 sort of meets the above but the phone-home connectivity (and poor after-sales support) are deal breakers for me.

[seanmcdirmid]

I'm not sure you can buy any nice car these days that doesn't include a cellular connection for some services. Otherwise, you'd be set, just buy a car that doesn't have its own cell connection (or tape over the inner camera of a Tesla and be done with it).

[hnburnsy]

It can be disabled and a piece of black tape can ensure no video is sent. Will you be heading to Tesla in the morning? ;)

https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modely/en_us/GUID-EDAD116...

>By default, images and video from the camera do not leave the vehicle itself and are not transmitted to anyone, including Tesla, unless you enable data sharing.

[kube-system]

If I did, they wouldn't have one there for me to purchase. Their site indicates no stock and the cheapest vehicle they have can be ordered today for $40,630.

Also the outside of the thing is covered in cameras and I'm not spending $40k to drive around a car with tape all over it.

[NotSammyHagar]

https://www.tesla.com/model3/design#overview $39k for RWD, 39k miles. Used 3's and y's are the best deal, even cheaper. Musk sucks, but the car does have the specs. Mine is almost 10 years old, lost 5 miles of range.

Tesla confused everyone when they massively cut prices, causing prices to go down across the entire EV world.

[kube-system]

Meh, for $40k I want to be the first one farting in the seats.

[hnburnsy]

cool. cool. cool. thought your issue was with the in cabin camera.

[JojoFatsani]

Put electrical tape over the camera.

[ajross]

Come on. If it was a deal-breaker, you wouldn't have forgotten it. Your criteria is simply "no Teslas". Which is fine, if that's the case. I'm not going to tell you what to buy. But trying to construct technical arguments around a brand decision just leads you to silly places like this one.

[AnthonyMouse]

There probably is a legitimate argument in the nature of "no cars in the Tesla style", i.e. it comes with a big touch screen that runs everything and you don't control it.

There is no technical reason someone can't make an EV with mechanical HVAC controls and a navigation/audio system which is generic, independent of any other function of the car and feasibly replaced by a third party system if you don't care for it.

[mullingitover]

If Toyota made a pure EV version of a Camry they'd sell like hotcakes. I think Tesla has nearly tapped out the market for cars that cut corners drastically on usability.