[kube-system]

I ninja-edited in a requirement that I forgot: doesn't stream video of me to someone else's computer. The Model 3 sort of meets the above but the phone-home connectivity (and poor after-sales support) are deal breakers for me.

[seanmcdirmid]

I'm not sure you can buy any nice car these days that doesn't include a cellular connection for some services. Otherwise, you'd be set, just buy a car that doesn't have its own cell connection (or tape over the inner camera of a Tesla and be done with it).

[hnburnsy]

It can be disabled and a piece of black tape can ensure no video is sent. Will you be heading to Tesla in the morning? ;)

https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modely/en_us/GUID-EDAD116...

>By default, images and video from the camera do not leave the vehicle itself and are not transmitted to anyone, including Tesla, unless you enable data sharing.

[kube-system]

If I did, they wouldn't have one there for me to purchase. Their site indicates no stock and the cheapest vehicle they have can be ordered today for $40,630.

Also the outside of the thing is covered in cameras and I'm not spending $40k to drive around a car with tape all over it.

[NotSammyHagar]

https://www.tesla.com/model3/design#overview $39k for RWD, 39k miles. Used 3's and y's are the best deal, even cheaper. Musk sucks, but the car does have the specs. Mine is almost 10 years old, lost 5 miles of range.

Tesla confused everyone when they massively cut prices, causing prices to go down across the entire EV world.

[kube-system]

Meh, for $40k I want to be the first one farting in the seats.

[hnburnsy]

cool. cool. cool. thought your issue was with the in cabin camera.

[JojoFatsani]

Put electrical tape over the camera.

[ajross]

Come on. If it was a deal-breaker, you wouldn't have forgotten it. Your criteria is simply "no Teslas". Which is fine, if that's the case. I'm not going to tell you what to buy. But trying to construct technical arguments around a brand decision just leads you to silly places like this one.

[AnthonyMouse]

There probably is a legitimate argument in the nature of "no cars in the Tesla style", i.e. it comes with a big touch screen that runs everything and you don't control it.

There is no technical reason someone can't make an EV with mechanical HVAC controls and a navigation/audio system which is generic, independent of any other function of the car and feasibly replaced by a third party system if you don't care for it.

[mullingitover]

If Toyota made a pure EV version of a Camry they'd sell like hotcakes. I think Tesla has nearly tapped out the market for cars that cut corners drastically on usability.