[Kye]

We're talking about a supplement here, not the naturally occurring hormone. Of course the hormone works as expected and it's absurd to think I was talking about that. You accuse me of trolling while making a post like this. But I think you just misunderstood and aren't trolling. Moving on.

Supplements don't always work like the natural thing they're meant to supplement. Humans are really bad at knowing how inputs affect their health, and it's difficult to go through the long and laborious process of elimination to verify the cause if you've already convinced yourself of something. Self-reporting is notoriously unreliable for this and other reasons.

[leptons]

Please provide some evidence that melatonin does not work to help people sleep. Until you do you're not arguing from a position with any ground to stand on.

All available evidence does point to melatonin being an effective sleep aid. It is known to regulate sleep cycles, and it does so effectively for millions of people every night. It's no mystery or placebo. You can say it is all you want, but you've provided no evidence at all to support your feelings. And homeopathy has nothing at all to do with melatonin consumption as a sleep aid.

[Kye]

You admitted you were posting an anecdote and were under the mistaken impression people wouldn't spend money on something that doesn't work. I provided homeopathy as a very expensive example of how you were wrong.

The burden of proof is on you. Proof might exist, but I'm not convinced you have it. Otherwise, you'd lead with it instead of an anecdote.

[leptons]

It's very easy to look this stuff up yourself, and I have no desire to get into a troll war with the likes of you over something so widely known.

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/wellness-and-preventi...

"Research shows that a supplement may help people with insomnia fall asleep slightly faster and may have bigger benefits for those with delayed sleep phase syndrome—falling asleep very late and waking up late the next day."

I'm sure you'll try to move the goalposts anywhere you want before you accept that melatonin does in fact put people to sleep.

[Kye]

This is a blog where you'll also find posts taking homeopathy seriously, and this post is based on a survey. Not a study. No scientific research is indicated here. It is not in any way scientifically rigorous. I don't know what you're on about about when you say goal posts or moving them. You said:

>> All available evidence does point to melatonin being an effective sleep aid.

What evidence?

>> "It is known to regulate sleep cycles"

Anecdotally, as best as you've demonstrated. This is not, as you claimed, "voluminous research and study done on melatonin."

If we're going with your silly metaphor, you moved the goal posts.

Anecdotes are not "voluminous research and study done on melatonin." A blog with no standards is not "voluminous research and study done on melatonin."

Show the "voluminous research and study done on melatonin" that you claimed exists or go away. I've made no claims to support. I've only asked you to back your own statements up.

Again, the burden of proof is on you.

[leptons]

>This is a blog where you'll also find posts taking homeopathy seriously, and this post is based on a survey.

You're seriously trying to say Johns Hopkins Medical Center is just some rando blog to try to prove your pointless point? You're either clueless or a really bad troll.

>What evidence?

Yeah, where's your evidence that it doesn't work?? Crickets.

>Anecdotally, as best as you've demonstrated. This is not, as you claimed, "voluminous research and study done on melatonin."

"It is known to regulate sleep cycles" is not anecdotal. This has been known science for quite a long time, no doubt before you were born, kiddo.

>Again, the burden of proof is on you.

I've provided proof, from a reputable medical source. You've provided nothing but your feels.

PUT UP OR SHUT UP. Without any proof from you, this conversation is really over.

[Kye]

I'm sorry the state of science education is so poor and you don't know how to tell a ghostwritten SEO blog from a scientific publication. You deserved better.