[knaik94]

I am glad, I won't miss this feature. This will also mean there is less adoption of the new stanard and so the old standard will be kept around for longer. ATSC 3 was guaranteed to fail the moment it intoduced DRM into the standard. This is the situation with HD Radio all over again.

The DRM and patents effectively destroyed the value and purpose of having an open standard, for consumers. It's what gave spotify and google music room to kill radio and now online streaming will do the same to broadcast TV.

Even with live events and sports, Amazon has started live streaming thursday night football on Twitch, you only need prime to watch. Youtube and Twitch are also creating a new way to consume the content, adding interactability. A charity recent soccer match that included major content creators had 1.3m average live viewers, 2.5m+ peak on Youtube.

This was eventually going to happen, but these decisions accelerate it. The concept of being limited by tv "channels" has already started to feel foreign to me.

[zitterbewegung]

Two wrongs making a right here sort of weird. The local channels around me have started becoming available on online streaming services. Once that really occurs the lines between streaming / cable / terrestrial video are going to keep on blurring. Streaming services that have transformed streaming into more like a cable model don't seem to be sustainable though so it begs the question what will be the future.

[knaik94]

Similar to how most people have shifted to permanent shuffle for the song selection queue, online streaming caused the same shift in how people decide what to watch. Familiary with existing media is what keeps people tied to services, and at some point viewers will move on.

The recommendation system around broadcast media seems immature and doesn't feel personal, the cable model makes it worse. People don't subscribe to every service every month, like they did for cable, people cycle through them. Keeping a viewer will always be cheaper than trying to regain a lost one.

Youtube and Twitch has gained social signficiance and some content is on par with traditional media. Kids who only watch YT, Twitch, and TikTok do not feel left out socially. Memes and social media fill in any gaps. I've noticed that the younger generations are more surprised when a peer doesn't know the Mr Beast YT channel than when they don't know a specific TV channel/show.

I think the future of live events and sports will look like Twitch, with a heavy emphasis on interactability. I think branding for shows/channels will get more focused on the characters/actors and creators. And larger categorization will be based on genre. Basically the same way it works with movies.

[pests]

At the same time YouTube is testing its live-tv style service with channels such as LTT. The channel makes a list of uploads and then its displayed to the user in a 24/7 tv style broadcast.

[knaik94]

I can't imagine myself watching a livestream of something like LTT.

On the other hand, I have listened to 'Lofi HipHop' and 'oldies playing in another room' and aquarium/submarine streams. For videos where it's not live, you can create 'custom' channels with a looped playlist. It doesn't feel the same as broadcast to me.

[pests]

They did have it going for the last few months but checking recently and its offline. Maybe the drama a few weeks ago caused them to end it.

[semiquaver]

> most people have shifted to permanent shuffle

citation needed

[ksec]

>Similar to how most people have shifted to permanent shuffle for the song selection queue, online streaming caused the same shift in how people decide what to watch.

That is not a shift by consumer usage, but a forced selection from Streaming services.

[sbierwagen]

>Amazon has started live streaming thursday night football on Twitch, you only need prime to watch

Despite being hosted on https://www.twitch.tv/primevideo you do not actually need prime. I watch it without prime just fine.

[MBCook]

> ATSC 3 was guaranteed to fail the moment it intoduced DRM into the standard. This is the situation with HD Radio all over again.

I don’t see DRM killing many standards. It mostly seems to fail because it’s released too late or to an existing open standard.

I don’t see why HD Radio failed due to DRM. I’d say it failed due to MP3 players and streaming music services meaning people didn’t care, so it wasn’t worth car makers bothering.

[knaik94]

DRM limits hardware options significatly. Open standards are embraced even when they come later, AV1 vs HEVC is a great example. The standard will exist but hardware adoption of the standards is often weaker, which I consider killed. DRM is how the patent holders maintain control over who can use the standards.

The existing standard that people are going to use is the previous version of ATSC without DRM and encryption. Althrough DRM and encryption are not technically the same, they are practically in this kind of situation.

It's funny watching spotify try to move closer to radio with AI generated DJ curation. I hope it dies sooner rather than later so we can reallocate those bands to something more useful.

[mastax]

I have a theory that SiriusXM paid carmakers to install satellite radio receivers (obviously) and also to not install HD Radio receivers.

[klondike_]

Every car I've had with SiriusXM also supported HD Radio. Low end cars tend to have neither, or only as a premium upgrade

[mastax]

That doesn't match my experience at all. Every car me or my parents have owned since the 2008 Honda Odyssey has had satellite radio and no HD Radio. Even relatively low end cars (what passes for low end in the United States for the past decade, like a Toyota Yaris) have satellite radio, and I've never been in a car with HD Radio except that one time I took a ride in a friend's Mercedes S class.