[socrates137]

This isn’t the first time I’ve heard of something like this. I learned some disturbing things about HOAs while living in one. Some people think I’m strange or dramatic, but I refuse to ever live in one again. I realize not everyone has that luxury - the article mentioned the “sun belt” states, but it was exceedingly difficult to find a home outside of an HOA in the Midwest, too.

If you don’t pay my taxes or my mortgage, you get no say on what color I can paint my shudders. And the only ones who can kick me out are the bank (until I’m done paying) or Uncle Sam, not the bored authoritarian neighbor down the road who doesn’t like that I don’t have an immaculate yard or doesn’t approve of my mailbox.

So many of us Americans pretend to care about property and liberty until suddenly it possibly puts a small dent in own your property’s value.

[Kalium]

I wouldn't think a person would struggle to find a HOA-free house in the midwest. If you were to pick a random house on the market in a random neighborhood in Detroit or Chicago, or Kansas City, odds are you wouldn't pick one in an HOA.

You might struggle if you're looking to buy a new house in a brand new subdivision.

[toomuchtodo]

Preowned homes are unaffordable at the moment (lack of supply, interest rates, buyers with low interest rate mortgages who don’t want to move), leaving new homes in HOAs the only option for all but the most well heeled buyer.

(have also had poor experiences with HOAs and refuse to live in one)

[fortran77]

Many towns, everywhere, mandate HOAs for every new development. No doubt the city council is getting some kickbacks.

[readthenotes1]

Usually it's the local taxing authorities they have the power to kick you out, not Uncle Sam.

[anon291]

As a staunch conservative, I have no idea why my fellow conservatives are into HOAs. They are a major violation of property rights.

[johncessna]

Conservativism isn't anarchy. It's about pushing government down to local levels where the impacted have the best ability to change the policies if they aren't liked/wanted.

I'd say an HAO def fits that bill. I've been in both chill HOAs and draconian ones. If you don't like it, join the board and motivate all the other like minded folks and get things changed.

[anon291]

Sure.. I believe in breaking cities up to be smaller and more manageable. For example, my neighborhood in my city of Portland ought to be its own city because we have little in common with the politics of the rest of the city. That is why there is a political process we can follow to do that. Its called incorporation and has happened many times before all over the country. Cities are not fixed in stone. We don't need a new organization to do what cities used to.

Moreover, your analogy falls apart because HOAs are not governments and the people aren't protected from them the way they are a government. As much as I disagree with the city of Portland politically, I can post whatever messages I want outside my non HOA home and the city can do jack shit about it, because, as an American government they are unable to patrol my speech.

If HOAs were governments then I would have a different opinion (I would be somewhat in favor). However they are not.

As a final point of difference. A foundational principle of conservative governance is that governments are formed for and BY the people. However, HOAs are formed by development companies typically. Corporations are not people (and are not legally treated as such, despite widespread belief). Corporations have no right to form a government that the future residents cannot modify. HOAs are much harder to get rid of than a city. Thus, we have an example of an alleged American government that was never formed by a group of residents and cannot be modified or eliminated by them. That's problematic and un American

[underseacables]

Because it's about power and control. Many associations will say it's to preserve the value and look of their communities, but when you get down to the actual people serving on these boards, conservative or liberal, they do it for the power.