[Alupis]

> so unless you think that medical professionals are useless or that medicine should only be practiced by the rich, you should reconsider your views.

Doctors and medical professionals are among the highest paid in this country[1]. Paying off their student loans makes the least sense.

> The fact that you have to take enormous debts to be allowed to study (which is your only hope for social mobility)

This is so absurdly false. It's a false narrative that's been pushed by higher-learning institutions for decades, and now regular people believe it. You do not need a piece of paper to earn a tremendous amount in this country. So very many blue-collar jobs earn six figures annually.

What's required to have social and economic mobility is a work ethic and skill. It's that simple.

[1] https://www.bls.gov/ooh/highest-paying.htm

[enterprise_cog]

Cite your sources about all those six figure blue collar jobs.

[Alupis]

One google search turned up a bunch[1]. The thing they all have in common? Hard work, and skill. If you're skill-less, you aren't going to earn well, ie. if someone else can be trained to do your job in a day, you are not going to earn well.

It's a myth you need a piece of paper to earn well and live well. It needs to die.

We puppy-mill thousands of useless graduates each year and then are shocked they earn so little doing basic office work. In some cases, it's a complete inversion of what people expect - more degree less pay.

[1] https://theinterviewguys.com/highest-paying-blue-collar-jobs...

[enterprise_cog]

Only one of those jobs listed gets six figures and I’ll bet you need a degree or nuke sub background. The only other thing that gets close is police work, a career known for siphoning money from communities by doing bogus OT. Did you even read the link? Nice little ideological rant though, bet that made you feel good.

[Alupis]

How about trying to do some of your own research, before you offer a false condemnation of someone's argument? This isn't reddit...

https://www.gobankingrates.com/money/jobs/working-class-jobs...

It's easy. I clicked the 3rd link on google.

If you live in a world where you believe you must have a piece of paper to earn six figures - then you've been lied to and you've bought into the lie. In other words, you've been made the fool.

There's so much evidence a degree is not necessary to have a very good life with a great income. You just choose to ignore it because it does not fit into whatever false-truth you've chosen to believe.

[enterprise_cog]

How about you come correct with evidence when you make bold statements that are trying to push some ideology you have. This isn’t Reddit.

That link, which is funny because it’s basically blog spam, lists: ATC(school and years of experience required), pilot(school and years of crap pay to break into those numbers), and then lists a bunch of other careers that don’t pay six figures or still require a degree (and you’ll be competing against people who have degrees to get).

Perhaps you are the one who should stop ignoring reality and update your beliefs. Best of luck with that!

[Alupis]

It's amazing to me how you've put zero effort into your argument, yet remain staggeringly incorrect.

You do not seem to believe hard work and skill development leads to higher pay.

If you flip burgers at In-n-Out, you will not earn much ($15-20 per hour). If you manage an In-n-Out after putting in years of learning the business and working your way up - you earn close to, and more than often exceed, six figures.

Go ahead - look it up. Place some effort into your argument.

The point being - if someone can be trained to replace you in a day or less, you are not worth much.

ATC does not require a degree either [1]. I'm not sure what gave you that idea.

You don't have to believe me - you just have to put effort into your arguments. Careful - it might shatter your perceived reality.

There's no shortcuts in life. Hard work and developed skills earn big bucks no matter the field.

[1] https://www.faa.gov/be-atc#:~:text=Be%20younger%20than%2031%...