[Alupis]

How about trying to do some of your own research, before you offer a false condemnation of someone's argument? This isn't reddit...

https://www.gobankingrates.com/money/jobs/working-class-jobs...

It's easy. I clicked the 3rd link on google.

If you live in a world where you believe you must have a piece of paper to earn six figures - then you've been lied to and you've bought into the lie. In other words, you've been made the fool.

There's so much evidence a degree is not necessary to have a very good life with a great income. You just choose to ignore it because it does not fit into whatever false-truth you've chosen to believe.

[enterprise_cog]

How about you come correct with evidence when you make bold statements that are trying to push some ideology you have. This isn’t Reddit.

That link, which is funny because it’s basically blog spam, lists: ATC(school and years of experience required), pilot(school and years of crap pay to break into those numbers), and then lists a bunch of other careers that don’t pay six figures or still require a degree (and you’ll be competing against people who have degrees to get).

Perhaps you are the one who should stop ignoring reality and update your beliefs. Best of luck with that!

[Alupis]

It's amazing to me how you've put zero effort into your argument, yet remain staggeringly incorrect.

You do not seem to believe hard work and skill development leads to higher pay.

If you flip burgers at In-n-Out, you will not earn much ($15-20 per hour). If you manage an In-n-Out after putting in years of learning the business and working your way up - you earn close to, and more than often exceed, six figures.

Go ahead - look it up. Place some effort into your argument.

The point being - if someone can be trained to replace you in a day or less, you are not worth much.

ATC does not require a degree either [1]. I'm not sure what gave you that idea.

You don't have to believe me - you just have to put effort into your arguments. Careful - it might shatter your perceived reality.

There's no shortcuts in life. Hard work and developed skills earn big bucks no matter the field.

[1] https://www.faa.gov/be-atc#:~:text=Be%20younger%20than%2031%...

[enterprise_cog]

So your proof of six figure blue collar jobs being abundant is: a fast food chain, that isn’t even a national chain, where you have to work at garbage pay for years to MAYBE get a manager position (for which there are few and I bet they have degrees) where you might possibly get near six figure pay (in what are most likely high COL areas). Are you serious right now?

And the ATC not needing schooling is misleading. You’re only getting accepted via experience if you’ve served in the military as an ATC. Otherwise you need a degree. Go read the BLS overview: https://www.bls.gov/ooh/transportation-and-material-moving/a...

Also I’ve put effort into my argument, not that it required much. You’ve moved the goalposts from oh so many six figure blue collar jobs to maybe you can be a manager at in and out. Which just confirms the OPs point of a degree being necessary for real social mobility. Unless you think everyone in the country can be an in and out manager.

And finally, hard work doesn’t always earn big bucks. Plenty of people work grueling jobs and get paid crap. The break their bodies for nothing. You are just spouting more ideological garbage.

[Alupis]

> Plenty of people work grueling jobs and get paid crap

Grueling has nothing to do with developing skills. You do not seem to comprehend this.

You need to develop skills that are not trainable in short duration.

What do all of the job types in the provides sources require? Hard work to develop skills that are not easily replaceable. That is what earns the big bucks. It's so simple, it's bewildering it needs to be said.

Your BLS link states "typical" - ie. not required, and only mentions associates degrees from community colleges. Additionally, the link to the actual agency itself, the FAA, as provided above, clearly indicates no higher education required. I don't understand how you cannot comprehend this.

You seem to think a piece of paper is somehow a shortcut to earning a large income - completely forgetting earning that piece of paper takes at a minimum 4 years - and often much longer.

You also seem to ignore majority of college graduates do not earn six figures straight out of school either. In fact, majority of college graduates do not earn anywhere near six figures[1].

In short, you are ignorant of the realities around you, and choose not to educate yourself on the facts presented and with minimal effort, available in abundance.

Minimal effort in life will cause you to have this outlook. It's disappointing you cannot understand the basic realities at play here. Work hard, develop skills, earn more. It cannot be any more simple.

With a little more effort, you too can be a high earner.

[1] https://www.zippia.com/advice/average-starting-salary-out-of....